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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police lie under oath, a lot

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Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

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What would you do if ICE agents approached the kids on your youth sports team at practice?

Youman Wilder, the founder of Harlem Baseball Hitting Academy, said that he found himself in that exact position. And he didn’t hesitate.

“I heard them saying, ‘Where are you from? Where are your parents from?’” Wilder told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace. “And I just stepped in and said this is very inappropriate to ask these kids anything ... I’m just going to have them implement their Fifth Amendment right, and not say anything to you.’”

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 hour ago

Considering that there is a $1,500 bounty per head, it is no surprise that ICE traffickers are sniffing around schools and playgrounds. Probably explains why the local kindergarten got a reinforced fence in the last several months.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 hours ago

Remember when strangers approaching children and initiating inappropriate conversations with them would be the ones getting arrested, not doing the arrests?

Pepperidge Farm would remember but half its workforce was snatched up and the rest are in hiding.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 hours ago

Finally positive male role models for boys

[–] [email protected] 79 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Indistinguishable from some random masked dudes driving unmarked vans up to a group of kids, with the intention of kidnapping some of them? Sheeeesh. There has to be some serious nation wide lead poisoning over there.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

Schrodinger's Ice

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In the article an ICE spokesperson is quoting as saying there has been no recent activity in that area. So ICE is literally saying that these people claiming to be ICE were in fact random masked dudes.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They’re probably lying about it, both because they know it looks bad to be fucking with kids and because being unsuccessful makes them look worse in their eyes.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 hours ago

And eventually, someone's gonna shoot one of these totally-not-actually-ICE agents.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago

Nope, just white suppremecy and nationalism. But with government cutting safety regulations, the lead poisoning will come. Source: I live in this shithole :/

[–] [email protected] 117 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If ICE only arrests criminals and armed violent gang members, where are all the shootouts and injured/dead ICE agents?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Would love to see more of the last bit

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago

I want a liveleak video. With a chainsaw.

[–] [email protected] 203 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

I love everything I read. The success he's had with kids too. What an incredible role model. This guy bleeds America and what it's supposed to be.

“I just said to myself, ‘I’m willing to die to make sure you get home.” He even doubled down on his statement, saying, “I’m willing to die today.”

Wilder wants to make it clear that the kids who play baseball with him are upstanding kids with bright futures, not victims. In fact, 45 of his players have been drafted to the Major League.

What an amazing contrast of an American vs whatever the fuck ICE is.

The funniest part was at the start...

He said that one of the agents responded, “Oh, another YouTube lawyer.”

Oh, the irony. Even people that have never set foot on US soil know what the fifth amendment of the US constitution is. Apparently a prerequisite of being an ICE agent is knowing nothing about and being in direct opposition of America's most basic foundations.

Where's all the patriots at to exercise the second amendment?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

whatever the fuck ICE is.

The word is "nazi".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

In future history books, it'll be read with all the same context as the SS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Future history books? Hell, that's how I'm reading it right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Depends on who writes them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Gestapo would be even more accurate

[–] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago

They're too busy cheering on the Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Where's all the patriots at

Not in NY, with the most restrictive gun laws in the union. Notice ICE is only pulling this shit where they're the only ones armed? Funny that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago

um, texas much?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No, they do it in the Midwest too. Which is why farmers and food producers (many of whom probably voted Trump) are complaining that their workers are being taken away. Tough people. Salt of the earth. Gods country. Where are their guns????

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

Tough people. Salt of the earth.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Only if you use them to oppose a tyrannical government.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

And not a single NRA member has shown up. Bunch of pussy as bitches.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

We keeping America safe by... Arresting kids?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No no, they'll happily tell you they're literally using the kids as bait. You arrest the kid (who usually is a US citizen), the kid gets a phonecall with their parents, you arrest the immigrant parent(s) when they show up to say "what the fuck why did you drag my kid off". Depending on how lazy the ICE agent is, you might deport the kid with the parent (the parent has to request this IIRC), or place them in foster care (with admittedly no way to reunite them). If the kid isn't a US citizen, you don't even need to deport them to the same country as their parents, put them on the same flight, or ANYTHING.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 56 minutes ago

Is this something communities could counter by having citizens partnered to immigrant organizations making the inquiry into the child's arrest?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

These little brown kids will turn into brown adults and that is fucking terrifying to americans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

These little brown kids will turn into brown adults and that is fucking terrifying to ~~americans~~ racists.

ftfy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

Haha jokes on them I'm a brown adult, what now? Oh, gulag anyway, welp...

[–] [email protected] 39 points 18 hours ago

The orphan crushing machine demands more orphans.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 18 hours ago

Terrorized.