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A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
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32hr workweek as a transition period down to 24 or even 20. 4 weeks PTO for new hires or something, add 2 weeks per year up to like 8 or 10, or even 12?
Fuck capitalism.
That's how I sounded like before I got married and became a father. Now I want to be CFO instead. Funny how that goes.
Bless capitalism
If you're implying you want to spend as much time away from your family as possible, you could just get a divorce. Wouldn't have to sell all your life to shareholders then.
I got 5 evenings and 2 days on the weekend, it's plenty
congratulations. go back to work.
i'm sure dedicating your entire life to working for others will make you happy.
Yeah, I like working for my family since I love them
it shouldn't be necessary to work us so hard for them to get their value out of us though.
we could be helping our families without throwing our lives away.
That's fine. Work as much as you want. Just expect your income to accompany your productivity.
My wife works 14 hours a week, if she wants more money then she doesn't just take it from my account, she just goes and work more.
I put my money in stocks
The money goes to our kid. Not to her luxuries.
if any of our productivities matched the money we are getting, we would be earning twice or thrice we currently do. or more. this is the entire point.
i'm not against working as much as I need, i'm against leaving most of it to employers to enjoy for our sacrifice.
most people don't even have the choice though, its rare to even be able to save money
I support that. Let's have a meaningful movement. Not to decrease our working hours, but to increase our earnings compared to our productivity.
A part of my job is to calculate the income of the doctors at our hospital.
They earn their income based on their effort. If they do an easy thing, then they earn little money. If they do something more scarce, then they earn more money. They earn money based on how many patients they help. Not based on how many hours they are at the hospital.
I see vast differences between income between doctors. Many of them are fine with working few hours because they earn enough anyways. Other doctors aim at 40k euros income per month. They work a lot.
It's personal choice.
The work reform movement must include the people that want to work a lot.
People that are satisfied with basic necessities (I'm sad for their children) are fine enough with simple tax and social transfers. They don't even need to have a job (they are hated by people).
But the people that want to work, need to be paid for their efforts.
so you are against reducing work hours? humans are not made to work so hard, but you can work more if you want to while also supporting other people to have that choice.
because you are talking about doctors, who are notoriously well paid and privileged. as i said, its rare to even be able to save, even when working 12hr days, 6 day weeks. theres a reason not many people want children nowadays, and most that do are in financial distress.
the good news is that we DO have many meaningful movements to do all of that on the left, but like any grassroots movement, it isn't financed by big capital and needs people's support and participation.
i think you should expand your perspective somewhat. life aint easy for people without the same privilege as you do, and even then.
Belgium's population grew from 9 to 11 million in 65 years. My wife's country Indonesia grew from 80 to 280 million people in 65 years.
Median net wealth of Belgian is 250k euros and in Indonesia it's 5k euros.
Your perspective is the one that needs to be expanded.
Belgians don't want kids because they don't believe in a god. They have pensions even though they don't have kids.
In Indonesia they are extremely religious, so they think having kids is important. They don't have meaningful pensions, so they need kids to survive.
You're quite mistaken.
We don't have kids because we are financially rewarded to not have kids. I vote against pensions for this reason.
you... vote against pensions...? don't feel sorry for children then. honestly if you have that attitude and are in belgium you are the problem. i'm guessing the political parties that want to "cut costs" in belgium of all places are very fascist-adjacent.
all i can really say is stop exploiting the third world for your privilege, because we will soon shake the imperial influence off and its not gonna look pretty for your economy.
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