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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (20 children)

To be honest, so many of the comments in this thread are just cope.

It's true that ai isn't a replacement for good coders ..YET.

But it will be. You all can be as mad as you want, publish as many articles about how much ai sucks as you want. but it won't stop anything from happening.

I say this as someone who has just started to learn to code myself.

The reason you all are mad is because you suddenly feel unsafe and unappreciated. And you're right.

Ai is still gonna happen though. It will take away a lot of your jobs (especially starting with jr coders just getting into the market). It will lower your pay. You can yell about it, or you can adapt. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Think of it this way: what do you think the market is gonna be like in 5 years? Then 10? Brah, start preparing now. Right fucking now. Cuz it ain't gonna get easier for you. I promise.

It happened with blue-collar factory works in the midwest regions of the US because of automation and offshoring. People bitched and tried to stop it. Lots of snooty white-color workers yelled, "learn to code!" But none of that saved their jobs.

And you guys won't stop it happening with your jobs either. I don't like the idea of AI taking over everything either. But it will. Adapt or die.

I've just started to learn to code. I am enjoying it. But in no way, shape, or form am I thinking it's going to lead to a job for me.

EDIT: To copy what some else said, much better than me:

The idea that AI will some day be good at coding isn’t the issue. The issue is that some people in management think it’s already well on the way to being a good substitute, and they’re trying to do more with fewer coders to everyone’s detriment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (8 children)

To be honest, you sound like you're only just starting to learn to code.

Will coding forever belong to humans? No. Is the current generative-AI technology going to replace coders? Also no.

The reaction you see is frustration because it's obvious to anyone with decent skill that AI isn't up to the challenge, but it's not obvious to people who don't have that skill and so we now spend a lot of time telling bosses "no, that's not actually correct".

Someone else referenced Microsoft's public work with Copilot. Here's Copilot making 13 PRs over 5 days and only 4 ever get merged you might think "30% success is pretty good!" But compare that with human-generated PRs and you can see that 30% fucking sucks. And that's not even looking inside the PR where the bot wastes everyone's time making tons of mistakes. It's just a terrible coworker and instead of getting fired they're getting an award for top performer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Been a few months since I used co-pilot, but they use a model that's worse than GPT-4/4o which is a big step down from the reasoning models.

Try out Cline, aider, or one of the tools devs actually use with the latest models from Anthropic/Google/OpenAI.

https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/

Didn't look through all the issues but there were things like

The agent was blocked by configuration issues from accessing the necessary dependencies to successfully build and test. Those are being fixed and we'll continue experimenting.

Been out less than a week, let's see how it's doing in a year.

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