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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (20 children)

The claim mixes up how perception works and what people actually mean when they talk about top-down processing. White and gold viewers aren’t saying the pixels are literally white and gold—they’re saying the colors they perceive match most closely with that label, especially when those were the only options given. Many of them describe seeing pale blue and brown, which are the actual pixel values. That’s not bottom-up processing in the strict sense, because even that perception is shaped by how the brain interprets the image based on assumed lighting. You don’t just see wavelengths—you see surfaces under conditions your brain is constantly estimating. The dress image is ambiguous, so different people lock into different lighting models early in the process, and that influences what the colors look like. The snake example doesn’t hold up either. If the lighting changes and your perception doesn’t adjust, that’s when you’re more likely to get the snake’s color wrong. Contextual correction helps you survive, it doesn’t kill you. As for the brain scan data, higher activity in certain areas means more cognitive involvement, not necessarily error. There’s no evidence those areas were just shutting things down. The image is unstable, people resolve it differently, and that difference shows up in brain activity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

White and gold viewers aren’t saying the pixels are literally white and gold—they’re saying the colors they perceive match most closely with that label

I think all of the white-gold people are really condescending, explaining how their perception is correct and how blue-black people don't understand the image. Also, if they explain how the image looks white-gold enough, that the blue-black people will be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

explaining how their perception is correct and how blue-black people don't understand the image.

Well the ones that do understand the image by definition won't need it explained. There's no 'correct', if we're talking pixels/digital representation, it's white-gold (or light-blue and brown if we're being pedantic), if we're talking about what the physical dress is, it's blue and black.

If it were a white and gold dress and the light was reversed to shadow it'd likely be the other way about; some people would interpret it as the pixels displayed (blue and black), and others would subconsciously revert it to white and gold.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're saying it's actually white-gold? Do you think the color on the left is actually white? White is on the right here, for your reference:

In the colors below, you think they are the same color? Brown is not the same color as gold

If you were tasked with painting something gold, would you paint it brown instead?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No it’s a very light blue that looks like white+shadow.

The gold is a browny gold but the options were ‘white and gold’ or ‘blue and black’

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/1af486db-deb1-44da-8d48-6ad5b5833713.webp

I see these exact pixels for the whole dress. So no black, and no blue like the original physical dress.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And no white. The only issue with the photo is that the black isn't captured as absolute black and it's a brown color.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Brown with a gold tint yes.

And blue so light it could be mistaken for white.

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