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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Uhm, are you one of those who park their e scooter wherever they want and are trying to deflect, or why are you so over the top triggered?

You think that's a good and fruitful way to talk? Aha

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

He's out of line (and his comment is going to be removed as soon as I finish writing this), but except for the personal attacks, he's right. If you think cars and escooters are "equally" problematic, you have zero sense of proportion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I regard it as a question of scale.

Cars are problematic due to how people use them. That they are used senselessly, agressively, carelessly.

Thats why there are so many rules and fines around cars. Fines that are nowhere near as strong as they should be.

And those same attitude people driving cars in bad ways also ride scooters.

I had a scooter with two on it plow through a tiny gap of elderly people at high speed just a few days ago.

I had a easily 8 meter wide pedestrian crossing in front of my office vlocked in a full line of e-scooters dumped there as parking space blocking it just as thoroughly as if two cars had parked there.

Now if I were to scale up the ratio of people using scooters to the same as cars then it would get very bad because they seem to think of e-scooters as being more free of rules.

Sure, a good solution would be to replace cars fully and use roads for bikes and scooters. Best possibility.

Sadly that's not a thing and until then the people using scooters just as badly as car drivers are out there ruining that for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Many of the problems with cars are inherent to the nature of cars, specifically, how large they are relative to how many people they carry. E-scooters scaled up would not cause the problems that cars do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That I can easily agree on.

Though the reality is that the the e-scooter usage has not led to significantly less cars on the road. Instead they mostly replaced bikes, public transport and walking. Numbers vary from country to country and city to city of course so this is a generalized average.

This means though that they are not making anything better but instead making it all worse because I do not recall ever having had this much trouble with badly parked bikes in the past, even in a big and bike heavy city like mine.

So while the concept is great it fails because they don't replace cars but instead just add another way of ruining public spaces ON TOP OF the fucking cars.