this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023

274 points (97.6% liked)

Games

39722 readers

2279 users here now

Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.

Rules

1. Submissions have to be related to games

Video games, tabletop, or otherwise. Posts not related to games will be deleted.

This community is focused on games, of all kinds. Any news item or discussion should be related to gaming in some way.

2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil

No bigotry, hardline stance. Try not to get too heated when entering into a discussion or debate.

We are here to talk and discuss about one of our passions, not fight or be exposed to hate. Posts or responses that are hateful will be deleted to keep the atmosphere good. If repeatedly violated, not only will the comment be deleted but a ban will be handed out as well. We judge each case individually.

3. No excessive self-promotion

Try to keep it to 10% self-promotion / 90% other stuff in your post history.

This is to prevent people from posting for the sole purpose of promoting their own website or social media account.

4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts

This community is mostly for discussion and news. Remember to search for the thing you're submitting before posting to see if it's already been posted.

We want to keep the quality of posts high. Therefore, memes, funny videos, low-effort posts and reposts are not allowed. We prohibit giveaways because we cannot be sure that the person holding the giveaway will actually do what they promise.

5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW

Make sure to mark your stuff or it may be removed.

No one wants to be spoiled. Therefore, always mark spoilers. Similarly mark NSFW, in case anyone is browsing in a public space or at work.

6. No linking to piracy

Don't share it here, there are other places to find it. Discussion of piracy is fine.

We don't want us moderators or the admins of lemmy.world to get in trouble for linking to piracy. Therefore, any link to piracy will be removed. Discussion of it is of course allowed.

Authorized Regular Threads

Related communities

PM a mod to add your own

Video games

Generic

[email protected]: Our sister community, focused on PC and console gaming. Meme are allowed.
[email protected]: For all your screenshots needs, to share your love for games graphics.
[email protected]: A community to share your love for video games music

Help and suggestions

By platform

By type

By games

Language specific

[email protected]: French

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

274

Sega calls video games that use blockchain technology 'boring' (gamerkick.com)

submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

60 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Shuji Utsumi, Sega’s co-CEO, comments in a new statement that there is no point in implementing blockchain technology if it doesn’t make games ‘fun’.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (11 children)

What use outside of microtransactions would there be anyway?

[+] [email protected] -20 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Actually owning games, skins, guns, etc and being able to use them across games

Also resale

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You can actually own games by buying DRM-free. A DRM-free installer can be backed up and used forever, even offline, which is better than relying on blockchain verification.

Games are also better by having no microtransactions than by being able to resell some fictional sword from a lootbox. If I want to have the best weapons in Skyrim I can just cheat it instead of paying anyone for it. There is no point or benefit in attaching monetary value to individual instances of fictional digital game objects, because in the system of the game that's just some bits flipped, there aren't any production costs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

well one could argue that production costs aren't necessarily reflected in the product's final value, which is dictated by society (for its usefulness, desirability, status power, etc)

this is very evident precisely in fictional digital game objects, but in the online game context. a powerful item can give you advantages over other players and be very valuable but cost 0 to be created by the company. of course it's just a flipped bit nevertheless, but there's no way around to cheat and flip it at will

mmorpgs exist merely because of this concept. the whole level, skill, item grinding turns man-hours of work into bits in an authoritative server somewhere, and for that they have value. it's an amazing thing to watch

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I see how sociey goes and that's all the more reason I have no interest in financial speculation within games. In what way does the market of CS:GO skin trading makes the experience of playing it better?

MMORPGs also show that whenever item acquisition is not carefully controlled, it ruins the whole designed experience. Many MMOs were ruined by game economies getting out of control. If anything that is an argument for, whenever trading needs to be part of a game, it needs to be controlled. Therefore, remaining centralized is better for the game.

the whole level, skill, item grinding turns man-hours of work into bits in an authoritative server somewhere

You are not incorrect but that sentence gave me a gross shiver. LIke I was saying, I'm against games being treated as a job. This isn't "amazing", it's exploitation worming its way into our entertainment (even more than it already is on the creators' side).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

oh, don't get me wrong, I'm also all against the exchange of game items with real money (specially when it affects gameplay). in my view, you could only ever put 2 "real currencies" into a game: time or money. though everyone is roughly at the same playing field for time (I understand there's a contrast between a well off kid vs a hard worker adult) people are born with absurd differences in wealth, so much that the game itself becomes meaningless when that factor is introduced (the so called p2w).

when I say "amazing" I am talking about non-p2w mmorpgs - otherwise is just plain old capitalism hehe. the concept of grinding can be very interesting in the sense that it adds risk to the gameplay, in this case the risk of wasting time. basically all non-p2w games implement this risk in different ways: if you die in Mario it's the time to the start of the level/checkpoint (seconds), in WoW is time attributed to a few gold coins/respawn walk (minutes), in games like Tibia you lose 10% of all your progress (sometimes amounting to months/years). I've been a lifelong mmorpg player and one thing I realised is that the more you have to lose, the more thrilling the game becomes and the more immersive it gets (at a big cost, sometimes your own sanity).

I do agree with the things you and the Sega guys are bringing up. NFT and decentralisation of authority over game items allows that and doesn't add anything nice. imo, the only viable and fair monetisation for any game is retail and subscription models

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In my view if it is important to the game that the players dedicate time, then there shouldn't be paid shortcuts. And if they want to give options to people who have less time, there's still no reason to tie it to money, it doesn't really help them. Any game that accepts real life money as a replacement for playtime is compromising its design for profit.