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European officials are preparing a multibillion-dollar defense package to bolster regional security and support Ukraine, announced by German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock at the Munich Security Conference.

The package, potentially valued up to 700 billion euros, will fund military training, arms deliveries, and security guarantees amid concerns over Russian aggression and diminishing U.S. contributions to NATO.

The move follows calls for Europe to boost its own defense spending while U.S.-Russian talks, which exclude Ukraine and Europe, on ending the Ukraine conflict continue.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I know a way to increase the support even more than that:

Donate to https://u24.gov.ua

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (52 children)

Imagine spending 700 billions in useful things and not to fight a proxy war against russia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Imagine not being a complete moron. I know that's impossible for you.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Realistically, the only actual solution to this problem in any long term would probably involve stationing nukes, which nobody really wants to do. A combination of not wanting to risk pissing off putin, because everyone thinks that he's an insane trump-level idiot that will engage in mutual self-destruction over ukraine, combined with the post-soviet destruction and hollowing out of the ukranian economy into private enterprise, an economy which wasn't exactly doing hot before. So it's pretty clear that most everyone doesn't actually give a fuck about ukraine or the ukranian people at all. Everyone's just gonna use this as an opportunity, as with every conflict, to pawn off old military hardware, bury the receiving country in a huge amount of IMF bank loan debt, and scale up their own domestic military production while paying off a bunch of private contractors which are, hmm, suspiciously close to the levers of power inside the real government. Weird how that happens. What a noble sacrifice.

I dunno, the wheels turn.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is great but IMHO they really need to start building industrial capacity to produce millitary stuff as well. Money's no use when nobody wants to sell you weapons for it...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (14 children)

I don't get why the EU still wants to maintain its confrontation mode? Wouldn't it be better to just find peaceful solutions for the future?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Would it be better? Yes! Is it possible? That would depend on Russia and they don't seem very eager.

As for Ukraine coinciding chunks of their country, it was tried before (Crimia) and the result was Russia getting overconfident and trying to grab the whole country. Sadly sometimes use of force is the only way. Hopefully, this increase will lead to forcing Russian to negotiate for peace.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

If Russia overruns Ukraine, the rest of them are next. Putin is an imperialist.

[–] H0rrorgasm 7 points 2 months ago

There's no negotiation with Putin, please please stop this stupid pacifist line of thinking

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