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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

I fly because it's fast, not because I like airplanes. Even the fastest train is way too slow to replace a plane for a long-distance trip. Then for shorter distances cars win out because of how convenient they are. There's no niche for passenger trains except for commuting into urban areas with no parking.

It doesn't help that in the USA train tickets seem to cost more than plane tickets. I think I'd still usually fly even if the train was free, so I'm certainly not going to pay extra for a slower method of transportation even if it is a little more comfortable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I live in South Korea and HSRs are pretty much the only mode of (intercity) transportation that is relevant. Buses take too long, planes are expensive, while HSR(KTX)s are marginally cheaper than buses and take about ⅔ of a time.

Of course, our country's much much smaller than US/Canada so even the farthest lane takes only about 2.5 hours. It's pretty cool.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Cuz of all the issues that come with laying rail lines. Eminent Domain has somehow become even more unpopular as of late. And guess what building rail lines requires?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Frequently, blowing holes in hills and mountains so you can get that 3% gradient.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Dane here. While I love trains, they are a) more expensive than flying in almost every long distance scenario, and b) take much longer. We are trialling sleeping trains but reception is mixed and capacity limited. People don't like to waste an extra 2-4 days of their vacation on travel. Especially if they're paying more for that privilege. I should note that this isn't an issue of imbalanced subsidies. The EU subsidises air travel (in many ways) to the tune of around €30–40 billion annually depending on what you include and what you consider to be a "subsidy." Using similar criteria, rail is subsidised to the tune of €40–75 billion per year. So rail gets a lot more investment despite it serving 16% fewer travel kilometers per year in the EU than air travel.

The thing is, if even we can't make it cheaper and faster despite our relatively high population densities and high rail subsidies, I fear the case is much harder still in the U.S. My personal position is that trains are excellent commuter alternatives, and should be liberally built and subsidised in all dense cities. For longer travel, there is no substitute for airoplanes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Are they stupid?
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Something something Hungarian National Railway fucking useless once you go further than a 100 kms from the capital city.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I kind of like the thought of me pissing in the train and it travelling 300+ kph sideways and 9.8 m/s² downwards

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