Yeah well look at what's happened to Ukraine after they gave up their nukes. Basic logic.
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Yeah, and the honorable USA sure held their end of the deal up great…
We had a nuclear deal with Iran too. Same idiot fucked that one up.
What did the US promise to Ukraine?
Check out the Budapest Memorandum
I did. The United States followed everything it says. It just doesn't say to do very much.
By the same logic neither does NATO's article 5.
Not at all. You clearly haven't read what's actually in there.
Clinton didn't think Congress would ratify strong guarantees. Ukraine itself wasn't in a position to ask for much more, because it didn't have the economy to afford to maintain nuclear weapons. The result is an agreement that aggression against Ukraine would be brought up with the UN security council, and that's about it.
In providing military aid, the US has exceeded what was promised.
Article 5 has:
such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force
which might also be thoughts and prayers while Trump is in the White House and
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security
which is basically what was offered to Ukraine.
Nope, not at all comparable. The US does not puppet master the UN Security Council. It can bring the matter up, and it has. Russia has veto power on the same council. Nobody expects anything to come of that, but the requirements were met.
NATO requirements are also fully met if the US deems that doing nothing is the necessary action and informs the Security Council.
There is so much more context behind that. The two are not at all comparable.
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”
You're completely ignoring what happens in the first paragraph of NATO Article 5. The Security Council only comes into play if they get off their ass. The Security Council rarely gets off its ass, because too many countries that hate each other have veto power. NATO will continue operations for the defense of its members regardless.
None of that is true of the Budapest Memorandum. They bring it up with the Security Council, and that's it.
Are you going to keep digging this hole?
Trump and Netanyahu have alienated 92 million people from the west and kicked a massive, nuclear, hornets nest. I worry that the Tehran regime has nothing left to lose at this point. They're on the ropes militarily, but they're not out of power.
Iran has the right to enrich
Sad truth is having a nuke is a prerequisite to self determination in today's world.
who turned on the "manufacturing consent" machine?
Instead of just talking it out Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran every 6 months when they'll make nuclear advancements or sumthing? Like what the hell u playing at netanyahu, u got the best intelligence agency but intelligence aint there or smthing ??? Hell
Good! I hope it becomes the strongest. No, for real. Unironically. Fact. No cap? Whatever the kids say these days to mean “seriously.”
The beating will continue until ~~the morale~~ improves.