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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Its a trade off at best. You would need to make everyone poorer and accumulate more power in the government to make it happen. And the biggest issue is if its even doable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Poorer".

"Everyone".

You mean the wealthy wouldn't be as wealthy and everyone else would be subject to strict controls on energy, transportation, and meat consumption. Which describes the lives of our recent ancestors. Air conditioning and heating would be for survival, not comfort. Most people will depend on mass transit and not own cars. And meat becomes a treat you get every now and then. But dairy products and eggs will still be plentiful.

It's not like we're going to be eating peanut butter sandwiches and starving while working 3 part time jobs. Unless that's already your reality. Then it will likely still be your reality because capitalism.

The vast majority of humans could live a perfectly fine, alternative, lifestyle and the planet would be okay.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Yeah fair enough analysis other than blaming capitalism for everything. A thing that you missed was that when people in poor countries get poorer, they can die of starvation or other things. Why do you believe that is worth it?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But we shouldn't aim for "doable" we should aim for perfection

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But what if perfection destroys the vehicle to make it doable?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean aiming for perfection ist worse than fucking the Planet a little less?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more that you do with repect to climate change, the more it will harm the economies and the people in them. If you make it harder to get gas, poor people wont have access to it, and all the various costs will go up and crush them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are dying because of the climate Change, and increasingly so, but please Somebody think about the economy... Really?

Gas will be accessible to them in need, If those who don't need to use it step back.

No sane Person needs a 3t heavy pick up truck wit 600hp for their groceries...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And the biggest issue is if its even doable.

Right we all didn't think of that, in that case let's just keep on overexploiting our finite resources and generate as much short term shareholder value as possible, because we don't know whether a sustainable approach would even fix some things that are possibly already beyond fixing due to overexploitation and generating short term value in the past.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The sustainable approach at this point would be eco-dictatorship, not sure if it's so easily achievable

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then the billionaires would still be billionaires, people would still be starving, and we'd continue to find unique was to kill each other.

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