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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It was never going to be possible for the US to maintain that kind of standard of living forever. It worked out in the 1950s through to the 1970s because WWII left huge swaths of industry and agriculture in Europe and Asia devastated — it took decades^0 for affected countries to rebuild. Meanwhile, North American based manufacturing soared and became the envy of the world — everyone bought form North America, and anyone with no particular skill set who was looking for a job could get a good Union job in any number of factories.

But that couldn’t last forever. There was no policy the US Government could have taken (other than perpetual war against everyone else?) that would have kept the rest of the world from re-industrializing. Japan, China, Germany, Italy, France, and the UK (amongst others^1) were able to re-industrialize to a point where the US suddenly had competition again — and while the US could have some competitive advantage against some of its more Western allies due to size, they weren’t going to be able to keep that kind of lead forever against China, Taiwan, and Japan. The world wound up with more capacity than there was a market for, and so the winners were the ones that could do the job the cheapest (as is the way in a competitive marketplace).

It was an anomaly that brought the kind of prosperity the US experienced in the post-WWII years; you can’t recreate that today (as it’s only due to the limitations of the technologies at the time that North America was broadly spared any destruction during the war years — in the post WWII nuclear/ballistic missile era that wouldn’t be the case anymore).


^0 — there are still areas in Europe that are uninhabitable (and unfarmable) today due to WWI and WWII.
^1 — it did somewhat help that the Soviet Union re-industrialized under Communism; the generally closed nature of their economy, combined with the huge inefficiencies of most of its industries under centralized control didn’t really challenge or threaten the US’s economic might.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You ignore the incredibly high cost of the Vietnam War. At the height, America was dropping three Hiroshimas a day on the jungle. US plants were working 24/7 to supply the steel, which meant German and Japan had to build their own plants. When the Arab Oil boycott hit, Detroit was doubly screwed, because Toyota and Volkswagen already had small gas sippers ready to go.

America could have regained it's edge after Vietnam ended, but Reagan's tax cuts and deregulation let the wealthiest build vast fortunes without doing anything to save the 'Rust Belt.'

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

One major factor: women entered the workforce. Labor supply doubled, and two incomes per household became normalized. Our current economic system fails to account for the work of raising children which was implicitely built into the "traditional family" model.

That's a double whammy for workers. The value of labor is halved. Both partners are expected to work to achieve a similar standard of living. And, without one partner doing household and child-rearing labor, those costs are borne by the workers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The value of labor was wrecked because Reagan crushed the unions and factory jobs were outsourced to third world countries, not because more women entered the workforce. That was a symptom, not a cause.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

One major factor: women entered the workforce. Labor supply doubled, and two incomes per household became normalized.

I think that may be a case of putting the cart in front of the horse. For one, the labor supply did not double, and a significant amount of women have been in the workforce since the 40's.

In 48' a little over 30% of women worked, today it's only 58%. So, I really doubt a gradual 25% increase in labor supply spread over 60 years is really responsible for the rapid decrease in livable wages we saw from the late 80's on.

Also, an increase in labour supply only equates to a reduction in labour value if production value stagnates or decreases. This is the opposite of what happened post 80s, production has skyrocketed, but labour value has stagnated. This typically means that companies are transferring excess profits to shareholders rather than employees.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cite your sources on this economic theory of yours, that is if you can find any that didn't come out of some MRA's ass

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Obviously women should have the same labor opportunities as men, but do you really think doubling the pool of workers would have no impact on the labor market?

It only becomes MRA bullshit when you stop there and say "see, feminism was a mistake!" instead of arguing for all workers to be better compensated.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn’t stolen as much as we willingly gave it up for modern convenience such as letting women work outside the home, prioritizing single family housing and car ownership in the suburbs, cutting taxes for the ultra wealthy and a plethora of other choices we made 70 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

at least they found the time to ban tiktok today

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This but unironically. Tiktok is contributing to the brain rot in our nation.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was never the norm it's a myth that never actually existed even when it was supposedly the norm most people struggled

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That was almost before my time too and I was born in 1959. Around that time the industrial sector began requiring more and more education and people were more motivated to go to school for longer periods. Also about that time, because of the bolstered economy after the war, prices started going up and inflation really took hold.

Now having a college degree doesn't even guarantee you'll make enough to afford a one-bedroom apartment. There is something out of whack about that. I don't know how people in upcoming generations will even be able to afford to buy food, let alone to have a roof over their heads. And it isn't any one president at fault for it, it's been going on since I was a kid, and that was decades ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Me, an intellectual, who makes less than the American minimum wage because I live in a third world country: You guys can't make ends meet with your inflated s Dollar salaries? 🧐

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ha ha I have you all beat. I am living in the future with a three income household.

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