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Please fix Rule 1. (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A shroom community was removed from lemmy.world as it was considered "illegal" content by the admins. The logic behind this is boggling, to say the least.

Marijuana is considered an illegal substance in some states in the US and is still federally illegal. /c/trees should be banned, correct?

Clown pictures of Putin are absolutely considered illegal in Russia, so that should require and immediate ban.

Freedom of speech can also be considered illegal in some places.

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not. Hell, porn is universally taboo, so that shouldn't have any place on this instance, I guess.

You see where I am going with this? Rule 1 is a catch-all and needs clarification. Simply saying something is illegal is not quite enough. Owning and sharing pictures of shrooms is not illegal. Trading spores or mycelium is generally not illegal either.

This is not about me being salty (which I am) about the community being removed and forced to relocate. It's the odd bias that was applied to justify its removal.

Please note that I said fix Rule 1, not remove it. There are some really bad things on the internet that shouldn't use lemmy as a safe haven.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not

GOOD. This is a plague. Get it out! OUT I SAY!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Which jurisdiction is lemmy.world in?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, cannabis is legal in a lot of states now despite the slowness of the federal government. Especially medical cannibis. Psilocybin is only legal in two states. It's gonna take a while to catch up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

it's al.illegal in the UK. so maybe it should be banned?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

In this thread there is a whole bunch of chest beating of individuals who don’t really understand what this is yet.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Everyone is a big shit talker about "freedom of speech" right up to the point they get the cease and desist letter from some corporation or a visit from the police for facilitating illegal activities.

Rule 1 exists exactly for the purpose of it being a catch-all.

Go run your own instance and let's see how stoic you are when the lawsuits start rolling in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that freedom of speech is really not an actual thing that actually exists. You’re always unfortunately going to have to hide the bad stuff from the regulators because of their laws in the end all it really does is hides the bad stuff. It doesn’t actually stop the bad stuff.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Your input is fascinating, but misplaced.

The purpose of this thread was for the admins to clarify what actually is illegal. Allowing a marijuana community has the same risks for an admin as pictures of other things like shrooms in other communities.

I personally would like to know where it is illegal to post and talk about any drug, honestly. Especially so if the drugs we are talking about are widely decriminalized.

Growing, selling or trading drugs online is generally illegal. I understand why those kinds of posts should be removed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your input is intriguing but delusional.

Do you seriously expect the admins to keep track of all laws in all countries?

In fact let me simplify. Using your logic of the admins "defining" what is legal and what is not, all posts are now forbidden because they probably break some law in some country.

You do realise that the world is bigger and more complex than your local town right?

Rule 1 exists to help admins justify decisions like this in order to help protect them from law suits. THE END!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The admins were using the legal staus of shrooms in other countries (besides their own) as a justification for removing the community. Ok, cool. Now apply that reasoning fairly across other communities.

Clarifying a point is not hard and they do get very specific with other rules as well, if you haven't read them. They could easily say that drug trade on lemmy.world is forbidden. Easy.

Also, chill with the ad hominem arguments. Trying to use insults to prove yourself correct just makes you look like the jackass.

Again, I don't think you understand the full scope of the points I am making. I understand your points, but they are just bad ones.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Literally there are admins from multiple countries.

You don't know what country the service is hosted in.

The admins made a decision, precisely because they felt this was a risk to them.

Don't like it, then spin up your own instance, host whatever content you like and get a good lawyer.

As I pointed out in my original post. Everyone in this thread is a free speech absolutist, but let's see how that conviction holds against a lawsuit.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While the rules might vary the law is very clear here. Shrooms are a regulated substance and that community is hosted on a site which chooses not to engage in illegal activity, so naturally they are going to want to remove it.

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