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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

How often does it happen that the people who make such an effort to outwardly project something, is also hiding it.. calling it, she is gay

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

How to ruin one’s public image in 10 seconds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because deities within certain polytheistic religions were rivals, doesn't imply the advent of monotheism.

Youre right, it doesn't.

But just because you assume I've assumed something doesn't make it so.

Polytheism having more explanatory power and being inherently more tolerant is somewhat the consensus on the subject, and I have no need to defend that position to someone I'd have to first lecture for several hours.

That the Viking culture was based on the rape and pillage of Christianity, not exactly a progressive perspective.....

See sentences like that reveal your inherent ignorance. I put quotations around "viking", because that's just how a lot of people view Scandinavian historical culture. And that you don't know that viking is a profession, not an ethnicity, is one of the reasons I'm not debating anything with you.

Yes, the people who went on raids usually did the things that were common for raids.

That's like you saying that robbers rob. Wow.

And saying "their culture was based on rape and pillage" is about as true as racist claims about black people stealing more; amazingly ignorant and inherently racist.

on assuming that Viking in Viking culture women were thought of as equals.....which is doubtful.

So because you're ignorant and assume something, that is how it is? I assume you're capable of using Google, so you chose not to even check. You just asserted that something is "doubtful" when it's not. No historians doubt that gender equality was more advanced in Norse communities than in Christian/Islamic countries of the time.

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-gender-equality-dates-vikings.html

https://norse-mythology.org/

You're not even aware of what Norse society was like, imaging all they did was "raping and pillaging", but you're expecting examples from societies which you probably know even less?

Okay.

"Explain the Mongol Empire"

Lol Did I say polytheism makes one an unconditional pacifist?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

But just because you assume I've assumed something doesn't make it so.

You literally claimed that RIVAL gods was evidence of proto monotheism......Making a rebuttal of a claim isn't me making assumptions?

Polytheism having more explanatory power and being inherently more tolerant is somewhat the consensus on the subject, and I have no need to defend that position to someone I'd have to first lecture for several hours.

Lol, nice appeal to authority there? If only there were some way to show that your claims are backed by a larger body of experts or evidence....... Some way to display the source of evidence you stake these claims on......

See sentences like that reveal your inherent ignorance. I put quotations around "viking", because that's just how a lot of people view Scandinavian historical culture. And that you don't know that viking is a profession, not an ethnicity, is one of the reasons I'm not debating anything with you.

Lol, I used quotes when I utilized it as a proper noun. Quotations are not needed when saying Viking culture, the same as if you made a statement about factory culture.

My God, you can't even correctly utilize logical fallacies in your arguments. How about focusing on the actual claim instead of trying to clumsily devolve into pedantic reasoning.

Yes, the people who went on raids usually did the things that were common for raids.

Right ..... And you think rading other societies is considered progressive or tolerant?

And saying "their culture was based on rape and pillage" is about as true as racist claims about black people stealing more; amazingly ignorant and inherently racist.

You need to work on your reading comprehension..... This was a common claim by the same sources that you utilized for your claim about "Viking rape law". So if you are willing to validate your argument on their testimony about "Viking rape laws" then their claims about Viking "barbarism" must be equally valid.

Also..... I thought you said "Vikings" was a job, not an ethnicity?

No historians doubt that gender equality was more advanced in Norse communities than in Christian/Islamic countries of the time.

More advanced does not equate to equals..... and the study you sourced from isn't making any claim based on primary sources. It's just examining the comparative health of women vs men based on skeletal remains. Not exactly anything that gives us a better view of their societal structure.

Again, part of my primary argument is based on the fact that there is not a lot of actual written information from polytheistic societies, especially in the west.

You're not even aware of what Norse society was like, imaging all they did was "raping and pillaging", but you're expecting examples from societies which you probably know even less?

Lol, that wasn't a claim I made. It's a common claim from the source material you based your "Viking rape law argument on".

Did I say polytheism makes one an unconditional pacifist?

No you claimed that polytheistic societies were more tolerant and progressive.

You also defined tolerant as equating to less violent. My rebuttal about the Mongol empire is made to directly confront your definition of tolerance.

And again, you are extrapolating your assumptions about a specific type of European polytheism onto all polytheistic societies. When the vast majority of which we actually have primary source materials are from outside of western hegemony. Stop trying to white wash all of human culture because you're obsessed with Scandinavian history.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You have the right to be a fucking dumbass. A jobless dumbass.

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