I’m not 100% clear on the pricing. Do I get this for “free” as part of a premium subscription to Proton Mail/Drive/Calendar or is this a separate subscription?
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Probably best to see their comparison but free account mainly excludes Integrated 2FA authenticator and only has two vaults, but unlimited logins. I'm on the unlimited account (for VPN and mail) so can't check for sure.
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I really really like proton pass, was using Google password manager prior but I primarily use Firefox and Firefox's password syncing is just bad. Proton pass has been a surprisingly reliable password manager.
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I was considering Proton Unlimited and moving away from separate SimpleLogin and Bitwarden Premium to get my costs down. Has anyone moved from Bitwarden to Proton Pass? How was the experience?
I moved FROM Proton when I started looking into using unique addresses for everything via my own domain.
Fastmail + Bitwarden is way cheaper than Proton + SimpleLogin.
I found myself wondering why Proton, which I was already paying for, required an additional cost to implement masked email addresses via SimpleLogin when they own the damn thing.
Fastmail just has all of that baked in for cheaper. Then Bitwarden can create masked addresses from its interface via API when you create logins.
I liked the look of Fastmail but I read that it doesn't work offline which seems to be a massive oversight. I also only really need basic mail but their 2GB limit felt way too low for a paid service.
Hm. I guess I've never had the need for offline support so I didn't notice. Though IMAP works so other clients could take care of that.
Why did you compare the lowest tier with Proton Unlimited?
- Proton Unlimited: $120/500GB/15 addresses. Add cost for SimpleLogin to manage masked addresses.
- Fastmail Standard: $50/30GB/600 addresses. Masked addresses built in at no extra cost.
I don't know your storage requirements but for me, I never went over the 15GB free limit in Gmail after many years of use so I don't see 30GB ever being a problem.
Edit: After more looking, SimpleLogin may be included with Unlimited? Still.. Unlimited is expensive. This may have been what caused me to start looking elsewhere. I had been paying for Proton Mail Plus plan for a few years before I started looking at implementing masked email addresses and got frustrated with the price to use SimpleLogin features which weren't included in Plus.
I don't have Unlimited. I pay for Mail Plus. I also pay for SimpleLogin and Bitwarden. By moving to Unlimited I get SimpleLogin included and could ditch Bitwarden.
I don't see a way to import from SimpleLogin with Fastmail so don't see it being an option anyway. I really don't want to manually create 350 aliases.
When I get on my PC I will look again at my options. Thanks for your input.
As a counterpoint, I'm specifically keeping passwords with a separate service out of concern in having a single point of failure for the majority of my online persona. I do pay for proton unlimited but mostly for VPN, simple login, and email.
This did cross my mind yeah. Also by putting all your eggs in one basket you kind of get trapped in that ecosystem. No different to Google / Apple.
Has anyone used pass keys? I have been hesitant to try them out. Using them, do they basically keep you logged in all the time to a given site?
I’ve had them since 1Password beta. They do not change the duration of a session unless the service opts to. In the case of google they ask me to log in more often, presumably because there’s less friction, so why not?
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Passkeys seem like mtls...so much so that I'm not sure what the difference is.
There is a difference but right now as long as one uses a good password with a 2FA it is probably good enough. Too many services with passkeys are still quickly offering password resets via e-mail or text, so they, as sites, are not secure. And unless you can move your passkeys with you, like you can with passwords, you don't want to get locked into a single device or OS.
MTLS is for transport layer security, not authentication security. This is closer to those RSA keys where there is an RSA server keeping track of all the fobs that can be queried to figure out what number they are currently showing. Acting as a something you have factor of authentication, proving you are who you say you are.
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