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If anyone wants to help populate the server, here is a current list of RSS feeds, not including a backlog of things I need to add. Another project for another day. It would be a great help for days that I cannot. :)

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

In the context of recent comments^[1]^^[2]^ made by the admin, I feel the need to bring up some thoughts I have on the relationships between free speech, moderation, impartiality and social issues.

For a start, I need to point out that science -- the study and exploration of the unknown -- is wrought with politics and social biases. Science could not be conducted without the exchange and preservation of information. Consider the endpoints and media of these exchanges of information. Humans preserve knowledge by storing it within their minds and/or inscribing it onto external media, and then communicating to others how and where to extract this information through social interactions.

Humans are biased and prone to irrationality. We know this. We know that biases dictate the rules and dynamics of social interaction, and that irrationality feeds into the formation of biases and vice versa. There is no such thing as an objective mind or impartial act; at best it is ignorance that counteracts one's biases, and this is how we try to conduct science. But we can not get any science done by only ever making blind choices in the interest of impartiality and fairness. We have to use moral judgement and intuition in order to make choices. What to research; how to interpret partial data; what conclusions to draw based on limited knowledge; how to even draw conclusions; what questions to ask; what answers to expect; what methods to use; whose interest to serve while prioritising.

The notion that you can just "be rational" and "stick to the science" is misguided. It prevents us from identifying our blindspots and biases. Recognising and acknowledging our limitations in perspective and understanding is vital to our efforts to deepen and widen our understanding of -- and existence within -- the natural world.

Let's consider what this means for members of a community such as this instance. When you are exposed to information -- whether misleading, false, essential or true -- what dictates your response to it is primarily a non-conscious process involving emotions, cognitive/physical state, innate primal instincts, etc. Your ability to reason only ever presents itself after your brain has interpreted the input signals and triggered an autonomic response. For many people, the non-conscious process can in some cases negatively affect their mental or even physical state in a very real and serious way (due to implications, extrapolations or associations of certain types of information - could be tragedy/gore/harassment or more complex triggers), often preventing them from dealing with it in a healthy and constructive manner. It's more nuanced than simply having or not having a (C-)PTSD diagnosis, and it is no one else's business to judge whether a person's inner experience is valid or that they should "suck it up" and "learn to deal with it". Unless one is an anti-social prick who thinks "survival of the fittest" makes for an excellent slogan and moral basis for a healthy society, of course.

Let's now consider how this relates to moderators of a community. If someone is responding negatively to some piece of information, one would do well to reflect upon why that may be, and what, if anything, can be reasonably done to prevent that. It is the task a moderator should be concerned with, so that they can form a basis for judgement. Sometimes a person can't be helped; sometimes it isn't in a group's interest to even attempt to fix a person's personal issues. But it is worth considering the implications when making a choice in who to accommodate. The choice may be passive or active. The former could be letting each person moderate their own experience; the latter could be defederating from instances that only contribute negatively to your community.

So, who should we accommodate? The anti-social extremist lashing out, ranting about conspiracies at anyone who will listen? Do you listen in the hope that it makes them (and.. you?) better people or do you shut the door to spare the rest of the room?

What about the trans person ranting about frequent harassment? Do you listen and consider their situation or do you let them figure it out on their own?

What about the autistic science nerd that gets upset over systematic disinformation and pseudoscientific posts populating their feed (and, by induction, everyone else's)? Do you crack down on those posters or let the nerds fight their own battle in the free marketplace of ideas (I mean, they're the rational ones with science on their side so they would surely win - sorry, had to sneak in a bit of diatribe)?

What purpose does unconditional (barring illegal conduct and spam) federation serve this instance? Who in this place appreciates the content and values sported by the people over at exploding-heads (for reasons other than absolute principles of freedom)? Forget breaking rules or laws; what potential value does a hypothetical Nazi or religious extremist group bring to this place? In whose interest is this instance acting when making (in)decisions about what other platforms are free to interact with (or at) us?

How do we expect this place to evolve over time as people who appreciate the moderation style here trickle in and remain active while people who are uncomfortable with it slowly evaporate?

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It has blatant homophobia, transphobia, racism, vaccine anti-science misinformation, etc. What is mander stand on this?

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Does mander.xyz block sh.itjust.works? I don't see it in this list: https://mander.xyz/instances

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

Hello, I'm a Reddit refugee and I was a prolific poster on r/skeptic. I would love a Lemmy skeptics community, but I haven't found an active one anywhere. Mander seems like a good place for one. If I started one, would people be interested?

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

See below:

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/798826

although this is unlikely to substantially and directly impact us and is a more immediate concern for Mastodon and similar fediverse software, we've signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact as a matter of principle. that pact pledges the following:

i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity

the maintainer of the site is currently a little busy and seems to manually add signatures so we may not appear on there for several days but here's a quick receipt that we did indeed sign it.

Frankly, I am leery (due to the 3 Es and will probably be blocking them on Mastodon as I do not think my server will. That being said, I am curious to see what happens and will not do it until I peer into the void... I plan on camping out on Mander either way. :)

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Was checking out the various communities, deciding which ones to subscribe to, and found the SpaceEngine community. Never even heard of this software (does it count as a game?) before but it is super neat (and also available DRM-free on GOG).

Mander, and the threadiverse more broadly, is cool.

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If you had to fly, what item within reach would help the most and how?

Bonus points for photos.

Extra bonus points for MS Paint type diagrams of the function.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

I'd love to have one for [email protected], and I have this sketch I made that I'd be happy to use, but it doesn't quite fit the style of other communities:

Is someone in particular making these, or are they coming from a particular place?

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(Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere and I missed it!)

Open question for our mod and anyone else who would like to weigh in!

I tend to post photos and art, and over time the size of these things can pile up. In my most recent post I linked to an imgur upload instead, and while it works fine, it does require the ~~viewer/user to click-through (and be subjected to iMgUr AdS)~~ (see the edit below) rather than simply view the thing here on Mander.

So right now I prefer the ease of directly uploading and find that it looks nicer, but boy I get self-conscious about literally taking up space. Am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

EDIT: Solved this particular problem! See Salamander's response for the fix.

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Apologies if this isn't the right place to post this, please do advise

I have been very patient with some of the nuances / learning curves of lemmy. I think that In time these will be ironed out and we'll have a thriving user base. However, I do feel that these issues need to be resolved at the earliest because right now is the time many users are leaving reddit or looking for an alternative. If the situation arises that the issues that the community faces while using lemmy are not fixed in timely manner, then new users might simply decide to not stay here very long.

There are a couple of things that are bothering me, but among them are few that cause me to stop using lemmy after a while. I'll try to list them here simply for the fact that I couldn't find any space which felt suited for this. If any one of you knows where this will be better suited please let me know, or post it there.

Anyway, here's my list:

  • I'm unable to subscribe to some communities. With some of them I was successful after I k interacted with them, but others like technology or android communities are still pending.
  • after viewing a post, when I click back it often takes me back to the top. Facing the issue on both the web page and jerboa app
  • sometimes, mander.xyz is unaccessible. The webpage gives an error that such a page doesn't exist while other communities still show up. Not sure why this is
  • the main feed is still a mess. I have to visit the subscribed communities to get any real content from them, but the subscribed feed either shows old content or just spams from a few of them.

Other issues also exist, but I feel these are the ones that really need to be addressed.

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I am trying to create a new account at Mander, but after submitting my info and clicking "register" the page keeps hanging? Does anyone else recognize this?

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I've seen seeing posts all over Lemmy about bots inundating instances with sign-ups. I'm just wondering if mander.xyz is doing OK.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

I just discovered mander today and am super excited by it. At numerous points in my musings on lemmy communities, I have returned to the question of sustainability. This is what brought me to mander: the thought that an instance can shut down at any moment, so I sought to diversify. Now I am encouraging some of my favorite subreddits to migrate here, and I was confronted with the same question of sustainability. It was phrased a bit more bluntly: " who pays for it and for how long?"

When the means dry up, what happens? Is the server transferred to another "owner"?

Are the costs low enough that it can be supported by existing resources (assuming user donations and a generous "owner")?

External funding: Wikipedia might be a good model to follow? Government funding? Surely some of us have written grants.

I really want to see something like this grow and prosper. However I also want to be sure it is worth the time for the contributors and that I have good answers to my favorite forums when presented with the above questions.

Onward!

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

I am a moderator on the subreddit r/illegallysmolbirbs, and we are considering creating a Lemmy Community. I am not sure if it would be on-topic for this community, so I figured I would ask you all if you think it would fit well here.

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I found this server via the join lemmy site and really like it, but noticed the communities here don't appear on https://browse.feddit.de/ which seems to be the way most people are finding communities across other instances. I was wondering if that was deliberate, and if not how to get the mander.xyz communities listed so that those at other instances who are interested in the communities here might able to find them and participate.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/187391

On iOS: tap the share button in browser => add to home screen

On Android: tap the 3 dot menu button in browser => tap "install" or "add to home screen"

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This is on an iPhone using the Safari browser.

I’m having trouble navigating Mander. Specifically after opening a post.

I can’t see any buttons or widgets to navigate back to the post list. Additional Mander page seems to go full screen, the browser controls, including the ‘back’ button are no longer visible.

Am I doing something wrong?

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Hi folks, are you hoping anyone picks up the torch and makes a community on here? How about a wishlist? Hopefully this will give a poke to others with mutual interest and to support some collaboration!

Running these things is not hard, a fun hobby and due to the nature of the Fediverse, rather laid back. Do not be afraid to try and take control of your content. This is what this place is about. You have agency here. If you have and idea and would like help with starting a community, raise your hand here!

I'll start:

  • Wild Green Memes for Ecological Fiends
  • Palaeontology
  • Climate
  • Meteorology
  • Volcanism
  • Entomology
  • Oceans
  • PlantClinic
  • Hydrology
  • History of Science
  • Open Science
  • Digital Humanities
  • Ferns
  • Orchids
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When a user lives within an instance, the user is only capable of creating a community in that instance.

My original thought process was the following:

I want to set up an instance in which the focus is nature and science, and so people that share the same interest can join in. However, I do not want to set limits on the types of communities that can be created, because I also want users to be able to build communities about their other interests without needing to be searching for another more appropriate instance.

However, after reading comments from a few users, I have considered a different perspective too. Users that join into this instance may appreciate being able to browse specifically content about science and nature when sorting through "Local", and diluting this content with off-topic communities can worsen that experience. By setting a tighter boundary on the types of communities that are created, we may be able to provide a better "Local" experience for the average user.

So - I would like to hear from you.

Would it be worth restricting the topics of allowable communities, even if that means that some users will need to hop in between instances to create their communities?

If yes, than how should the boundaries be drawn?

Some cases are easy to define. A sports-betting community is certainly off-topic, and a Nature Sketching community certainly on-topic.

But what about a community about "Sensors"? One can argue sensors fall into 'engineering' and not necessarily 'science', but I still think that there is significant enough overlap. So, if anyone has some good tips on how to define the boundaries, please let me know.

Of course, even the boundaries can be 'soft', and common sense can be used, but I think users would appreciate knowing what to expect.

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First off, this is immediately and by far my favourite instance. Thank you so much for creating it!

I'm still new to the "fediverse" in general, but with the current flood of newbies stumbling into every corner of it, I'm wondering if, for Mander, it might be a good idea to restrict creation of new communities to just the admin/s.

Mander's theme and tone are so unique, and I'd hate to see that diluted and buried. I'm just starting to see new local communities pop up that have nothing to do with nature or any type of science.

Just a thought of course. What you have here is fully worth protecting :)

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
 

I'm not sure if this is the right community, maybe Introductions would be better. But I wanted to say my first week here has surpassed any and all expectations I had during signup.

If I hadn't taken the extra time to look at all available instances I may have missed out on having such a cool server as my base of operations for the Fediverse. Love the topics, love the user base, and looking forward to helping it grow.

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Title. Lets see it soar! 💫💫💫

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I'm trying to transfer my subscriptions from lemmy.ml over to a new account here, but the community search is failing to find most of those subs. For example: comics, esp32, selfhost, and datahoarder.

Even if I try reaching the url directly (https://mander.xyz/c/[email protected]) I get a "404: couldnt_find_community" error. Are these communities blocked from Mander for some reason?

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