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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe not goatse, but if i were rich i'd just redirect it to world lmfao

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Average Western """"leftists""""

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I don't know if you're talking about me, but if so i am not western, and hating on MLism isn't anti-left lmao.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Lol. I don't exclusively punch left so i don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and i said it would be funny, while saying "it's a waste of money".

and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

Get a clue lmao. State capitalism isn't leftist. Even fucking social democrats are more leftist, and that's saying something.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left

Your comment history disagrees.

State capitalism isn’t leftist

Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess "real leftism" is just Western chauvinism.

Even fucking social democrats are more leftist

Why? Oh right, because they're Western

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your comment history disagrees.

Okay? This is a new account anyway, i switched to it. And lemmy isn't the only thing i use so this is just a stupid point.

Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess "real leftism" is just Western chauvinism.

Whataboutism. I did not say that at all lol. Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.

Why? Oh right, because they're Western

Do you hear yourself? I'm not western, i have nothing to gain from praising them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a new account anyway, i switched to it.

Ah ok, leftism is when you name a new dedicated account for left punching.

Whataboutism

Lol, the classic cry of the hypocrite.

Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.

Says the one calling for a "state-capitalist" community to be hijacked and redirected to a neoliberal one.

I’m not western, i have nothing to gain from praising them.

Then you should stop doing it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Okay so i said literally none of that. This is my main account that i switched to recently, "cry of the hypocrite" = calling out fallacies lmao.

The reason why i hate hexbear more than .world is because one brigades, argues in bad faith, contributes absolutely nothing of value to the fediverse.

Then you should stop doing it.

Lol, Don't recall doing so but okay.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I swear to god that image is only ever used by douchebags being intentionally obtuse when they know they're wrong.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn't technically anti-all left, but it's still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn't left is just purity testing nonsense.

I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you'd be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there's a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It's entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Politics doesn't exist on a one-dimensional scale you know. These extremely authoritarian branches of leftism are to me just as detestable as right-wing authoritarianists (though clearly one is more of a present threat). But I dislike being associated with those people because they believe they somehow must be similar in ideology to me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Totally going to defeat that 400 year dictatorship of capital which has only previously made concessions to workers when there was a tangible alternative system presenting some threat to theirs with an election. Keep it up. Believe in you. <3

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, Marxism-Leninism is surely the only alternative out there. I guess all those concessions to social democrats, greens etc... never happened. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Those concessions to social democrats were made when the USSR was presenting an alternative, workers were presenting an alternative (dragging the boss out and beating him to death infront of his family), or both.

People forget FDR was a Roosevelt, old money. His predecessor had just sent the tanks in to raze an encampment of insurrectionist soldiers within sight of the capitol building. FDR didn't give concessions because he secretly thought his class deserved less and the workers deserved more, but as a means to protect capitalism (and his privilege under capitalism), and nearly got coup'd for doing that.

When the bourgeoisie don't have a reason to fear the guillotine, they stop buying guillotine insurance and your social democracy gets hollowed out by neoliberalism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Marxism-Leninism is literally the study of how to overthrow capitalism. So you can go ahead and try the Paris Commune again for the dozenth time but yes. It is the alternative to capitalism.

If you want to overthrow capitalism you're going to be a ML or you're going to try to start over from 0 for entirely stupid reasons.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Politics doesn't really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions that attempts (unsuccessfully, IMO) to provide shortcuts to understanding the broader image of a viewpoint.

As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly "authoritarian," but I don't think that's a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are "authoritarian" in different directions and towards different groups. You get where this is getting muddy and rather than clarifying, it's actually adding more confusion?

As a side-note, if you think Communists are "just as detestable" as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically. Blackshirts and Reds is a great comparison of fascism and communism historically, proving them to be completely uncomparable in terms of sheer brutality and who they served, the bourgeoisie or the proletariat, while taking a critical look at the USSR and why it dissolved.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Politics doesn't really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions

Which is why I'm saying it's nonsense to claim that say a social democrat should not criticise a Marxist-Leninist because it's "punching left".

As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly "authoritarian," but I don't think that's a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are "authoritarian" in different directions and towards different groups.

This makes little sense. Apart from extremists most groups and systems do tolerate different opinions and viewpoints, and would even allow change if a majority agrees with it. Authoritarian governments explicitly do not allow this.

There's a case to be made for suppressing views that are directly harmful to human life. Authoritarian governments suppress viewpoints that may harm or reduce their own power. And much like capital, power has a tendency to accumulate in one place, which is exactly why democratic systems that allow other viewpoints are so important: it decentralizes power. This also deradicalizes extreme elements in government.

Take the Netherlands. There's been much said about the PVV, the anti-Islam and anti-migration party, coming into power. But because their power is so diluted and shared with other parties with different viewpoints, they're having to work with three much more moderate parties. As a result:

  • They settled for a PM who was formerly associated with the labour party, a longtime fairly apolitical bureaucrat.
  • They had to let go of their anti-Islam views.
  • And the big anti-migration bill? The current proposal makes it so they can better differentiate between refugees from wartorn countries and those who are in immediate danger, between migrants who are coming from relatively safe countries who were not in immediate danger and between those who are actively prosecuted based on their identity and who cannot reasonably be expected to return safely. Not exactly massively radical stuff.

They're still twats, but they haven't made any extreme or radical changes, and they won't be able to do so either. They had to moderate, and they did (to a point, of course).

As a side-note, if you think Communists are "just as detestable" as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically.

History isn't exactly kind on either movement. The theory is always different from practice unfortunately. I'm not interested in counting skulls, I decide for myself what the boundary is for me to consider acceptable. I don't care how far beyond that boundary a movement is. I won't vote for it nor will I cease criticizing it so long as I have alternatives (and thankfully I have plenty). Both Marxism-Leninism as well as Nazism are beyond that boundary for me. Sure, there's more elements I agree with in ML, but I can find those in other ideologies too. It's the elements that I heavily disagree with that make me dislike it. I can acknowledge Nazism is worse, but that doesn't draw me towards ML in any way.

I suppose you could draw a parallel to people who won't support the democrats over their stance on Gaza having caused a genocide. Sure, republicans are certainly worse, but that won't make me a cheerleader for Harris. But given that the US has no alternative, I would (begrudgingly) still vote D. Thankfully I live in a country with strong democratic principles, which does provide me with alternatives, so I don't have to compromise on my principles.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (11 children)

"Punching left" just means antagonizing Socialists. It isn't about arbitrary spatial coordinates, but is a commonly understood shorthand.

Secondly, systems do not allow themselves to be changed. Feudalism wasn't voted away, nor is Capitalism. There's frequently controlled opposition giving the illusion of choice, when no such choice exists in reality. This is a fact that has been understood for centuries.

I don't think the case that viewpoints like fascism should be allowed makes any sense, and taking the USSR's example, liberalization killed 7 million people that would not have died otherwise. Rather, if we take Marx's analysis, centralization of industry and production is inevitable as it advances, ergo it should be democratized as it centralizes. Decentralization doesn't mean democratization, such analysis would mean Capitalism is more democratic. In reality, centralization and decentralization have nothing to do with how democratic a system is, just how it can be democratized.

As for Marxism-Leninism, you can oppose it without drawing equivalence to the Nazis. Doing as such originated as a form of Nazi apologia and Holocaust minimization, also known as Double Genocide Theory. You likely aren't intentionally doing that, but the fact remains that this is the origin of such equivalences. Moreover, the bodycount of Western European countries and the US is far higher to begin with, History has been more kind to AES than it has to Capitalism.

I encourage you to read the book I linked.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tankies are just fascists painted red.

And the last time I checked, hating fascists isn't anti-left

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.

Moreover, calling Communists "fascists" makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being "Communist." It's entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is, and how AES states are run. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to understand why fascism and Communism are in no way comparable, as well as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to see how the Socialist economy functioned in the USSR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist

So you're saying that tankies aren't communists?

Moreover, calling Communists “fascists” makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being “Communist.”

I thought you just said that Tankies aren't communists? Because the alternative is that communism is when you genocide uyghurs to create Lebensraum for the han chinese. Which is just fascism.

It’s entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is

I spent years learning about fascism just to be lectured by a fascist charading as a communist on the internet lol

as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to

I just quickly put it through Perplexity and: "For example, he interprets the 1956 Hungarian intervention as a pre-emptive strike against Western powers gaining influence in the Eastern Bloc"

It is Tankie shit. Imperialism bad, unless the Flag is red, then massacring workers and women is actually good. And from doing the same with the blakshirts book it seems the author has no Idea of how fascism came to rise or willingly lies about it to push his narrative.

Calling tankies communists is a disservice to the entire ideology of communism. If you want to simp for an authoritarian strongman just be honest with yourself and call yourself a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I said "Tankie" is a caricature, another term might be "strawman." They don't exist. It doesn't matter if these caricatures are Communist or not, the descriptor isn't an actual position but a term akin to "Pinko." Trying to seriously gauge someone's position based on calling them a Pinko, rather than, say, a Marxist-Leninist, is silly.

Your entire comment reads in bad-faith. The Uyghur people aren't being executed en-masse or forcibly sterilized, yet you liken re-education camps to literal industrialized mass-murder. There's a genuine conversation to be had surrounding China's treatment of Uyghur people that doesn't require Holocaust trivialization.

Similarly, you let an AI summarize a book for you in order to avoid engaging with it, and yet Syzmanski is correct. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists.

"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, "coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways."

"But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing."

"Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements' ...." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)

"The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary."

"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:

During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”

Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."

Color me surprised, the one calling Communists "fascist" and doing Holocaust trivialization is a defender of Nazis. Read Blackshirts and Reds.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I said “Tankie” is a caricature, another term might be “strawman.” They don’t exist

And literally in the next paragraph he denies the uyghur genocide.

The Uyghur people aren’t being [...] forcibly sterilized

except they literally are.

And then he parrots soviet propaganda on why their imperialism was actually not imperialism lol

Color me surprised, the one calling Communists “fascist” and doing Holocaust trivialization is a defender of Nazis.

Strawmanning and moving the goalpoast. Tried and True Tankie Method.

Go wank another one to the poster of Stalin over your bed. A serious discussion is not possible with someone living detached from reality. Have a good one.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

What do you think a genocide is? You compared re-education camps to the Holocaust, industrialized mass-murder of over 10 million people. Read the UN report on Human Rights Violations in Xinjiang. There's a lot here that can be discussed without bringing up lies like "forced steralization." Such claims originate with Christian Nationalist Adrian Zenz, who believes China is the antichrist. His claims of forced sterilization (paid for by BBC, I might add) constitute a misreading of 8% of new IUDs in China going to Uyghurs for 80%. Uyghurs were even exempt from the One Child Policy.

You have no way of defending the fact that you just called the New York Times "Soviet Propaganda" when it reveals the Nazi-led pograms in Hungary, you just double down and continue to bat for literal Nazis. It isn't a strawman, you literally defended the MI6 funded and trained Nazi Pograms and lynchings of Jewish People and Communists, it doesn't get more clear-cut than that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hexbears accusing others of left punching and purity testing 😂

This is honestly surreal, you don't see the irony in what you're saying?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All that hexbear does is attack other leftists and purity test endlessly. You even attack your own admins and developers until they just leave because they're sick of being abused by other so called "leftists".

Solidarity ain't easy but it would be nice if you at least pretended to try.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What Leftists do Hexbear attack? What counts as a "purity test?" If you mean that Hexbear opposes Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot, then I'd say that's a fantastic example of good attacks against "leftists."

I think you're on a bit of a high horse, as someone who runs the same instance MeanwhileOnGrad is hosted on, and tried to baselessly claim sh.itjust.works is "less bigoted than Hexbear" when you yourself think China and Russia are pushing "gender politics" to radicalize western youths against the US. This is MAGA-tier conspiracy theory nonsense and undermines the real struggles faced by transgender people in order to push your own political agenda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lol okay.

China and Russia would never dream of using digital psyops to destabilize western nations. That would be fighting dirty, and they don't do such things 😂

This is also how I know that every hexbear user is a 100% real and based authentic transgender leftist and there is no chance that any of them have nefarious intentions. Because no one has ever lied or trolled on the internet before, as we are both aware.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't have any evidence of your conspiracy theory, just a distrust of Russia and China, or rather a trust in their anti-US stance. Fair enough. Where you go into transphobic conspiracy theory is when you then completely invent the idea that both of these countries are pushing "gender politics" as a wedge issue. The only purpose this serves, without any proof, is to undermine the experience of gender-nonconforming people. Russia in particular is extremely socially conservative, further adding to why this is akin to Q-Anon nonsense.

You're just doubling down on the transphobia at this point by automatically distrusting and attempting to discredit trans users. I recommend you talk to actual trans people and see what they think about suspecting they might be lying about their identities just because you disagree politically.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I know actual trans people you clown. What you're saying is nonsensical, if I know them IRL then I obviously know they're actually trans. Why would you suggest that I gaslight my friends, what the hell is wrong with you?

On the other hand, if it's just an anonymous username on hexbear constantly calling everyone else transphobic, even people that are clearly allies and trying to express support, then I'll remain skeptical.

Your comment is textbook circular reasoning 101. They are trans because they claim to be trans and thus its transphobic of me to question that. I'm not automatically distrusting or discrediting anybody based on them being trans or not.

The behavior that concerns me is the people who constantly attack everyone else, including trans positive allies, other trans people, and other leftists, and then when they get called out on their hateful and self-destructive behavior, they claim transphobia. And furthermore, even for those who are trans, it's not transphobic to tell a trans person they're acting like an asshole and they should do better.

You seem extremely confused. Russia and China are both extremely socially conservative. They are pushing the transgender topic in foreign countries while having absolutely zero tolerance for transgender people domestically. Does your brain work at all? You think because they're socially conservative they wouldn't consider using transgender ideology as a weapon and wedge topic? That's literally the exact reason why they are using it, because they don't actually care about helping trans people so they are free to infiltrate and destroy the movement from within, without caring about the consequences.

Imagine saying well the US is very economically capitalist, so they would never consider infiltrating foreign communist political movements and intentionally destabilizing them. Like hello?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's pretty clearly not what I was saying. I mean talk to transgender people and ask how they feel about constantly suspecting either transgender people you disagree with politically are lying about being trans, or that Russia and China are trying to manipulate them. This is directly undermining and delegitimizing trans expression online, rule number 1 of being a trans ally is to not undermine people that say they are trans.

They are trans because they say they are, yes. It is nobody's place to judge, this kind of thinking that you can be the arbiter of who is or isn't trans is transphobic.

As for Russia and China, they are in different leagues socially, Russia is far worse while one of the top celebrities in China, Jin Xing, is trans. This would be unheard of in Russia. Moreover, you assert full belief in them "pushing the transgender topic," despite no evidence whatsoever, beyond "do you think they wouldn't?" We know the US pushes anticommunism, this is well-documented, and moreover isn't related to gender identity but blanket opposition.

You are accused of not being an ally because, frankly, you do the job of transphobes for them. You play right into MAGA Q-Anon hands.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're either a naive rube, or a paid shill. Either way, I pity you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not from the country, nor do I know why you seem to hate people from the country, nor am I paid nor a shill. Guess we can add more baseless accusations and outlashes when getting called out to your list.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An uninformed, unsophisticated, or unintelligent person.

You act like you were born yesterday with some of these takes. It's impossible to tell over the internet whether you're actually that naive, or if it's a deliberate charade.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rube: a person from the countryside who is considered to be stupid and without experience.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, not many people know the actual meanings and origins of insults that generally have fallen out of popular use, but you should have taken more than a second to look instead of acting reflexively.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm well aware of the origin of the term.

Very on brand of you to act offended on behalf of "people from the country" though, despite not being one of them. Lmao you're insufferable

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I didn't act offended, merely questioned your use, now confirmed intentional, of a word that looks down on countryfolk. Believe me, I don't take any of your insults seriously.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Dang, you know, one of the criticisms of Xi I thought was actually valid was his stance on LGBT issues but if you're telling me he's actively promoting queerness to people in the West, that's based AF, more power to him.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yep, the implication is that "forcing gender politics" means tricking people into thinking they are queer, rather than recognizing that they are. Again, this undermines queer identity, and yet they claim to be an ally and that queer people should be thanking them for their lip-service.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao

lmao

Woof. We've got a live one.