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Framework’s first tiny Desktop beautifully straddles the line between cute and badass (www.theverge.com)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Why is the ram soldered? Soldered cpu is unfortunately a standard nowadays in laptops and sffs, but they rarely die, (actually I never met a cpu which died during normal usage), but ram is a thing which should be replaceable. I wouldn't expect this from framework.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Linus Tech Tips did a video, they had someone from framework and they actually gave a straight answer:

AMD worked with framework to try and implement user upgradable ram, but even with CAMM modules the signal integrity wasn't good enough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure motherboards with integrated graphics and removable memory exist. "Good enough" is such an explicit unit of measurement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They sure do since I have one, literally from AMD.

What all these articles really are too generous with is the GPU performance this compromise was done to get. It's... OK at best for the price. Reviews of products with the same chip/GPU have made specific mention of the weak GPU. What this actually is, and what AMD markets it for, is a small AI workstation. An AI workstation without CUDA is sadly not going to be a great experience for most. I think Framework made a mistake with this product.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Answered in the article?

Just don’t look for any memory slots — it’s soldered. “We spent months working with AMD to explore ways around this but ultimately determined that it wasn’t technically feasible to land modular memory at high throughput with the 256-bit memory bus,” writes Framework.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I thought framework is a manufacturer that presents itself as a brand for sustainable and diy friendly devices. Here they had to choose between memory bus bandwith and user replaceable parts, and they sided against their previous ethos. I'm disappointed.