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[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Words are great, but we really should be committing more support for Ukraine.

[–] passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

No. Unless Russia's economy crumbles in the next 1-2 years, then the war is lost for Ukraine. The Americans have dug themselves into a very deep hole. The Americans had bet everything on the chance that Russia would face defeat in 2022 or 2023. Now that it hasn't worked out, the Americans have no choice but to dump the problem onto other countries.

Will more economic sanctions on Russia and more weapons for Ukraine change anything? They have tried that for 3 years now and nothing changed. The media and the politicians have tricked many people into believing in Zelensky. He's a Saint in english-speaking nations. Ukraine can do no wrong. Yet support for Ukraine is lukewarm among the population. I held the Russian flag at one of Christchurch's busiest intersections 2 weeks ago. Hundreds of people saw the flag, but only 2 people made a comment disagreeing with me. I actually got more friendly toots than anything. People are tired of hearing about the war in Ukraine. Russia hasn't done anything to New Zealand and this war problem isn't ours to fix.

[–] onirakkiss@ioc.exchange 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

@passwordforgetter @Viper_NZ

Do you really think this is not your business? People are dying because a fascist leader of a super power country is invading the small neighbor? And the other fascist leader of the other super power country is helping destroying the small country and Europe, Africa and Asia and the world economy?
Are you also a fascist?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago

They're not brave enough to outright say it, but they are absolutely a pro Russia fascist.

I'd love to know why.

[–] passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you really think this is not your business? People are dying because a fascist leader of a super power country is invading the small neighbor? And the other fascist leader of the other super power country is helping destroying the small country and Europe, Africa and Asia and the world economy? Are you also a fascist?

@onirakkiss@ioc.exchange Calling Russia a fascist country is wrong. It's not a case of being inaccurate, it's completely wrong.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I guess you also think the Chinese would do a better job of running NZ? Or that we should fight alone if they try and invade?

@Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz Nah I don't think China is interested in absorbing New Zealand into its global empire. Would they want to pay everyone's pension or unemployment benefits? It'd be a disaster. China doesn't have the skill or knowledge on how NZ society works.

How many people in Christchurch even know what a Russian flag looks like?

@BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz Quite a lot of people, in fact. How many tricolour flags are there with white-blue-red? Maybe the flag of the Netherlands, which goes red-white-blue? The only other similarity is the Serbian flag, which is the Russian flag but upside-down. Other flags such as the French flag are vertical bars of colour, which is obviously quite different. Don't ask me how so many people young and old know the Russian flag, but they know it from somewhere. Maybe they read books or played Call Of Duty or War Thunder.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

LOL. You severely overestimate the flag knowledge of the average kiwi.

[–] passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's hard to say, but a guy on a bicycle said "slava ooocrane" and one guy in a car said f*** putin. That was in the course of 1 hour and 10 minutes. It's hard to judge how many people recognise it, but dozens of people do, I'm sure. Some people older than me will know the modern RF flag from the end of the Soviet Union. I was too young to understand it at the time, but as a child I remember looking at a country on the map called USSR and thinking, wow, this country is pretty big lol.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago

How many people in Christchurch even know what a Russian flag looks like?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I held the Russian flag at one of Christchurch's busiest intersections

Yeah, that sounds about right. I guess you also think the Chinese would do a better job of running NZ? Or that we should fight alone if they try and invade?

Also, of course this was Christchurch.

[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago

I have an idea.

Why don't we give Trump Waiheke island so he can set up a military base there and protect us when the chinese invade. This way it won't cost us anything except for time to process the police reports when the drunken sailors go to the north shore to get drunk and molest women.