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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Mike Rockwell, the Apple Vision Pro chief, has replaced John Giannandrea as the executive in charge of Siri, in an executive shakeup to try and rescue Apple's flailing AI efforts.

The glacial rollout of Apple Intelligence and the lack of progress on Siri has not been a good look for Apple over the last year. Now, Apple is making a big change to get things back on track.

The glacial rollout is because it doesn't work, and it can't work. Stop trying so hard to jump in the shit puddle, apple.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

this is silly, integrating Siri with ChatGPT is one of the ways AI will probably benefit apple users. If only just for parsing and contextually processing user requests better than it does now.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Sure, so long as it doesn’t mess up. Which is not possible. AI has no idea what a calendar is or what the word calendar means. And even if they do limit it to basic functionality like speech to text or scheduling, it already does most of that amd they’d be plowing millions into the slightest improvements.

On the other hand if they try to expand it and have it, say, plan a trip for you - it’s either not going to work or it’s going to have enough spectacular faults that it’s effectively unusable.

They're falling for the hype even though they know it’s just hype.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

AI has no idea what a calendar is or what the word calendar means.

Of course it does, where are you getting this from? This is what LLMs do, understand language. If you ask chaptGPT to add an event to your apple calendar it will say it doesn't have access and give you instructions to do so. Apple is basically working on converting those instructions to interface with siri.

And even if they do limit it to basic functionality like speech to text or scheduling, it already does most of that amd they’d be plowing millions into the slightest improvements.

that's not what the ChatGPT part will be doing. As you say, siri already handles that. ChatGPT is there to understand the language and context of the request, something LLMs do much much better than Siri now.

[–] djehuti@programming.dev 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What LLMs do has nothing to do with understanding. There's no there there.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

i suspect we are going to have a semantic disagreement on what "understanding" means here.

ChatGPT is absolutely trained on the concept of calendars, that iPhones indeed have calendars, and how they work. It doesn't need to "understand" what a calendar is on a deep epistemological level to process requests about them. If you ask chatGPT a question about calendars, it'll answer you. So in that shallower sense LLMs absolutely "understand" what you mean, and that's enough for chatGPT to help siri.

[–] djehuti@programming.dev 1 points 26 minutes ago

No, they really don't. They answer you with words that are commonly found in conjunction with calendars. There is code in Siri that understands calendars, but the LLM part ain't it. I have, ahem, firsthand knowledge of how Siri does this.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ChatGPT is there to understand the language and context of the request

Like, how? Or why? I admit I don’t use Siri hardly at all but the most I wanted from it was making a note, calling someone, or getting a simple search back. ChatGPT only does the latter that I know of, and its answers are often poorly sourced and often very wrong.

I don’t know - based on that - why I’d let it near anything actually important.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

with chatgpt siri will just be way better at understanding everyday language. For example, if i am listening to an Apple Music playlist with a bunch of different artists and i say "hey siri play this album" it has no idea what I mean. ChatGPT easily handles context dependent language like that.

If you haven't used chatGPT you should try it and compare the results with siri. It's not perfect but it is way easier to get what you want.

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