"Surely the lead on a failed pie-in-the-sky project will be able to turn around this entirely separate and currently failing pie-in-the-sky project!"
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At least one of those guys is able to ship a product that does what it was advertised to do.
The problem with the Vision Pro is that no one wants to pay $4000 for what it does.
At least there’s a market for Siri.
I don’t think anyone believes the Vision Pro sucks as much as Siri.
The Vision Pro is a cool solution in search of a user need.
Voice control is a user need that Apple struggles to deliver solutions for.
the execution and delivery of Vision Pro was not the problem, that's where Siri is struggling now.
Mike Rockwell, the Apple Vision Pro chief, has replaced John Giannandrea as the executive in charge of Siri, in an executive shakeup to try and rescue Apple's flailing AI efforts.
The glacial rollout of Apple Intelligence and the lack of progress on Siri has not been a good look for Apple over the last year. Now, Apple is making a big change to get things back on track.
The glacial rollout is because it doesn't work, and it can't work. Stop trying so hard to jump in the shit puddle, apple.
this is silly, integrating Siri with ChatGPT is one of the ways AI will probably benefit apple users. If only just for parsing and contextually processing user requests better than it does now.
Sure, so long as it doesn’t mess up. Which is not possible. AI has no idea what a calendar is or what the word calendar means. And even if they do limit it to basic functionality like speech to text or scheduling, it already does most of that amd they’d be plowing millions into the slightest improvements.
On the other hand if they try to expand it and have it, say, plan a trip for you - it’s either not going to work or it’s going to have enough spectacular faults that it’s effectively unusable.
They're falling for the hype even though they know it’s just hype.
AI has no idea what a calendar is or what the word calendar means.
Of course it does, where are you getting this from? This is what LLMs do, understand language. If you ask chaptGPT to add an event to your apple calendar it will say it doesn't have access and give you instructions to do so. Apple is basically working on converting those instructions to interface with siri.
And even if they do limit it to basic functionality like speech to text or scheduling, it already does most of that amd they’d be plowing millions into the slightest improvements.
that's not what the ChatGPT part will be doing. As you say, siri already handles that. ChatGPT is there to understand the language and context of the request, something LLMs do much much better than Siri now.
ChatGPT is there to understand the language and context of the request
Like, how? Or why? I admit I don’t use Siri hardly at all but the most I wanted from it was making a note, calling someone, or getting a simple search back. ChatGPT only does the latter that I know of, and its answers are often poorly sourced and often very wrong.
I don’t know - based on that - why I’d let it near anything actually important.
with chatgpt siri will just be way better at understanding everyday language. For example, if i am listening to an Apple Music playlist with a bunch of different artists and i say "hey siri play this album" it has no idea what I mean. ChatGPT easily handles context dependent language like that.
If you haven't used chatGPT you should try it and compare the results with siri. It's not perfect but it is way easier to get what you want.
Why can’t it work?
I work on AI systems that integrate into other apps and make contextual requests. That’s the big feature that Apple hasn’t launched, and it’s very much a problem that others have solved before.
I’d have to know more specifics to really answer but the gist is that it will cost an exorbitant amount fir very little gain. There’s no magic to be had and every single honest survey shows people overwhelmingly don’t want it.
Yeah, it a lot of those studies are about stupid stuff like an LLM in-app to look at grammar, or a diffusion model to throw stupid clip art into things. No one gives a shit about that stuff. You can easily just cut and paste from OpenAI’s experience, and get access to more tools there.
That said, being able to ask an OS to look at one local vectorized DB of texts, images, documents, recognize context, then compose and complete tasks based upon that context. That shit is fucking cool.
That said, a lot of people haven’t experienced that yet, so when they get asked about “AI,” their responses are framed with what they’ve experienced.
It’s the “faster horse” analogy. People that don’t know about cars, busses, and trains will ask for a faster horse when you ask them to envision a faster mode of transport.
Okay, and fair enough, but I don't want anything going to anyone. If it's apple, it's at least part of that DPA and it's part of the whole deal, but OpenAI can gtfo of my phone. That's a hard no.
Even then - what, find all the pictures of my dog bucky and message them to grandma? I guess? Put pushpin icons on the map where all my phot -oh wait it already does that. Umm . . how many of my phone contacts are Masons? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I dunno - I just don't know what I'd use it for.
I think enterprise needs will ensure that people develops solutions to this.
Companies can’t have their data creeping out into the public, or even creeping out into other parts of the org. If you’re customer, roadmap, or HR data got into the wrong hands, that could be a disaster.
Apple, Google, and Microsoft will never get AI into the workplace is AI is sharing confidential enterprise data outside of an organization. And all of these tech companies desperately want their tools to be used in enterprises.
"it" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I agree a lot of the "AI" features being pushed are junk that I don't want (e.g. image playground), but there are some that i do think that will help a lot as we have discussed in the other chain.
The problem is that Apple's extensive marketing of Apple Intelligence has led to expectations that far surpass what the final product is likely to be.
Most people think generative AI is magic coming out of a hat, so even if Apple delivers at the same level as other companies, people will feel like they've been misled.
Apple’s big problem is that Apple intelligence’s two most interesting features, contextual awareness + Siri finally having deep integration, never got reliable enough to get into public or developer beta this year.
That was the thing everyone wanted, but they basically only got LLM summaries / drafting, and image generators. They got the stuff that is easy to make.
The problem is that Apple’s extensive marketing of Apple Intelligence has led to expectations that far surpass what the final product is likely to be.
like what specifically? I think most people will be very happy if the only practical improvement is Siri working a lot better, which should be achievable.
Does that mean Vision Pro is officially dead?
Starting to sound like a new season of Silicon Valley.