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I can't be the only one who is seeing this fucking pattern on damn loop every few years. First, leftists managed to clobber together a movement. Lets say Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter. Or we can go more recent and talk about 50501 or TeslaTakedown.

Look, I get it. Its a lot of work and coordination to build up these movements. But time-and-time again, the movement rises up. Then the right attacks it.

Then mysteriously a few very violent actors show up (maybe its far-left. Or maybe its right-wing false flaggers). I dunno, but the violence ALWAYS shows up. BLM had groups trying to take over parts of town. I know Trump agitated the protesters with unwarranted acts of force (see the Laffeyette clearout).

But it doesn't matter "how" the violence begins. The point is some level of damage starts to occur. Its inevitable and we need to not only accept it, but plan for it.

Now what? The violence gets amplified by right-wing media and then... the movement is defeated. I shit you not. Its the death of every leftist movement for the past 15 years. The movements become a symbol of violence in the mainstream's eyes and loses all power.


We're entering the same period right now with 50501 and TeslaTakedown. The violence has begun: lots of Tesla vehicles have been smashed and arsons have started to spread.

What we need is a spokesman, who can navigate and sell the situation to the public. Martin Luther King Jr. was the spokesman of the Civil Rights era, and his "branding" was the most important element of all. If you want a violent movement, that's fine. But create a spokesman. Malcom X, to counter-act and differentiate between philosophies.

Without spokesmen (like Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcom X), we conflate the violence and the messages. And ultimately, that destroys our movements.

Please, for the love of whatever diety you worship. Get a fucking spokesman. Now. Sooner is better. Maybe its too late for TeslaTakedown and 50501, but we need movements that truly are rallied behind a singular face who can serve as the ideological leader to the general public.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You've got this entire process backwards my man.

Martin Luther King Jr. didn't need a platform. Nor Malcom X. If the goal is to amplify just one voice, its going to be far easier than trying to amplify a crowd of screams.

We'd be able to pass out pamphlets of the spokesman, host radio talks and/or large scale rallies with the spokesman in major cities. Then aim to get onto the major channels with the Spokesman. Sure, Joe Rogan, or Medias Network, or whatever. Media will fuck us over but at least we'd be playing the game.

Without the spokesman, you can't even "show up" to the fucking political game.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

do you genuinely believe that the political landscape is even close to how it was during the civil rights era? the world has changed a little bit in half a century and the papers that reported on MLK and X are owned by the same folks who called for their murders.

Then aim to get onto the major channels with the Spokesman.

??? why would generational wealth give air time to the person calling for its redistribution? rogan came up through independent channels and they bought him (or rather, his audience). what's stopping your "great spokesman" from being paid for just like joe?

you've proven my point here: plenty of these people exist, you just haven't heard of them! outreach is expensive and any time a signal starts to get picked up, the noise machine works overtime to drown it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Who is the leader to 50501, Tesla Takedown, or Latino Freeze?

Nobody. They're all fucking leaderless by design. That's stupid. All of you will be fucked in less than a year.

But if you can get a spokesperson who can defend 50501 or similar, then maybe... Just maybe they can survive long enough to affect the midterms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

maybe they've learned from what happened to dr king lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

They should be trying to learn from Occupy, BLM and other more recent movements.