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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It's almost like excusing neoliberals for breaking the law just normalizes republicans doing it...

And they're a lot stupider, so when they do it there's more likely to be negative consequences.

The solution is higher standards and holding someone responsible even when they have the right letter by their name.

Letting neoliberals be as shitty as they want hasn't been working out for 30 years since they tried to convince us a president lying about sexually taking advantage of interns in the oval office and then lying about it under oath to Congress was a "nothingburger" to use their own vernacular.

All lowering Dem standards does, is make us look like hypocrites. And that depresses turnout, which lets fascists into office.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

a president lying about sexually taking advantage of interns in the oval office

I think the intern was willing and the problem was with lies.

Anyway, sometimes you have to release the steam even in the oval office.

Clinton is an unpleasant person (being best buddies with the current president before the latter's brain rot due to neurosyphilis became irreversible, for example), but why the hell fscking someone there is a bigger deal than, for example, just ordering murders overseas or legally starting this whole mass surveillance thing?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I think the intern

Was an intern...

And he was the fucking president.

Think of a scenario where anyone in management at a company can have "sexual relations" with an intern in their office and it can be described as "willing".

Now, despite what Biden spent four years saying, understand that a US president is more powerful and has more of an effect on their interns careers and lives than some random CEO.

For fucks sake, it's 2025, do you really understand how the implict and explicit power dynamic prevented consent at least during working hours.

You think she did what she did with a guy 3 times her age because he was charismatic? It's because he was the president.

Just....

I feel like I'm rambling but there's so many obvious ways this was problematic, and you're still just fucking ok with it?

but why the hell fscking someone there is a bigger deal than, for example, just ordering murders overseas or legally starting this whole mass surveillance thing?

That was never the big deal, it was wrong and fucked up...

But the big deal was Bill lying under oath to Congress about it, and Dem politicians and voters closed ranks and said it didn't matter.

The coverup, not the crime.

That was the beginning of the end of the two party system. Only one party had any integrity and we gave it away to protect Bill Clinton and neoliberalism.

I guess this was all 30 years ago, and a lot of people weren't old enough to remember it happening, but it was also too recent to be in history books yet.

There's not really an excuse to not learn about it now, political literacy literally saves lives. We need more informed voters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You think she did what she did with a guy 3 times her age because he was charismatic? It’s because he was the president.

Generally you would be right, but it seems Clinton really did have the kind of charisma to attract women almost unnaturally, long before he became the guy 3 times her age and a president.

I feel like I’m rambling but there’s so many obvious ways this was problematic, and you’re still just fucking ok with it?

No, just everything is relative, and some bad things are solved at the expense of other bad things.

But the big deal was Bill lying under oath to Congress about it, and Dem politicians and voters closed ranks and said it didn’t matter.

That's what I said.

There’s not really an excuse to not learn about it now, political literacy literally saves lives. We need more informed voters.

LOL, I live in a country where most of the populace doesn't understand what was wrong with mass repressions. They think some bad rich people were the majority of victims, and not typical Ukrainian and Siberian farmers. And of course they don't understand that the government is not the property of its employees and politicians in power.

You have a long way to fall to reach that. But all those idiots were sufficiently informed. They chose to believe something worse.

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