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Read the full transcript. There is so much more that is being overlooked besides the "war plans" that were leaked.
Joe Kent: "I will send you the unclass data we pulled on BAM shipping" This indicates that Kent knew that this conversation was classified and that at least some people in the chat were not privy to at least some level of classified information.
JD Vance: "I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what – nobody knows who the Houthis are – which is why we would need to stay focused on: 1) Biden failed & 2) Iran funded.". He's basically acknowledging what they're doing is complete bullshit, but it won't matter as long as they blame Biden for it.
JD Vance: "1) this leaks, and we look indecisive;". I don't even know what to say here.
Michael Waltz: "Per the president’s request we are working with DOD and State to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans.". In other words "We're bombing Yemen, and Europe's gonna pay for it."
JD Vance: "I just hate bailing Europe out again.". I think this is a highly under-reported line in this whole debacle. It shows that the US position on Europe isn't just some political theater to appease Trump, but shows that the US (or at least, this administration's) disdain for Europe is very, very real. This is the geopolitical equivalent of finding out your best friend tells everybody that you're nothing but a freeloading loser when you're not around. Even if it stays quiet, this line will not go unnoticed, and will have a huge impact on US/EU relations going forward.
IMPORTANT EDIT: As I expected, these comments did not go unnoticed. European leaders are already rethinking their relationships with the US in response to not only this entire scandal, but also the specific comments made by JD Vance since it gives evidence of the true feelings of the Trump administration.
JD Vance: "And if there are things we can do upfront to minimize risk to Saudi oil facilities we should do it.". Good to know where his priorities are. Gotta protect that Saudi oil. Innocent civillians? Fuck 'em. They're not nearly as important as that sweet, sweet black gold.
Pete Hegseth: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.". See above. This is going to have a huge damping effect on our relations with our European allies going forward, as it reinforces the fact that US disdain for Europe is real and not just political theater for cameras.
So in other words, they're bombing Yemen because Europeans are freeloaders, and if anybody asks why we're even doing this just blame Biden.
Then whinging about messaging is hilarious to me. It's not like they have ever been good at it it's just their portion of the electorate has been eating lead paint and accepts basically anything.
They were basically saying as much in the chat. A couple of times. If anyone asks any questions, just blame Biden because they know their base will accept it.
European here: we did not ask for your help, we do not particularly want you to bomb the houthis (or anyone in the Middle East for that matter).
... You want shipping through the Suez.
Easiest way to dothat is stop supporting Israel's genocide in Palestine. Seems like all upsides to me
Are you seriously naive enough to think the Houthis will lay down their arms if Israel stops attacking Palestine? The Yemeni civil war was happening before Israel invaded Gaza.
Yes actually, they didn’t attack the ships during the ceasefire in Gaza.
And? They supported the ceasefire. Neat. They're still not going to forget their initial grievances. And Iran and Saud aren't suddenly decide to be all friendly.
Dude seriously. For the last few weeks, every time I see your username pop up I am baffled – baffled I say, you’re not an @lemmy.ml troll. I’d be happy to be character reference if they need one for you to join.
You sure you're talking about me? I'm always attacking tankies. I'm probably already banned from .ml
People have decided the issue is about which team you pick. Apparently it's a sport where "your team" is good and the other guys are bad.
Who needs nuance when you can just rail against your perceived enemies (anyone who disagrees with you even slightly).
Who needs nuance when apparently an entire residential building counts as acceptable losses (don't even think about damaging daddy's oil tho)
Yeah, reporting has mostly been about the leak - and I understand why. American lives > anything else in American politics and the OPSEC is what puts American lives at risk.
But if I understand this "operation" correctly - a rocket specialist for the Houthis who was instrumental in the attacks on Suez Canal had a girlfriend in that building. So, they dropped the building on him. 53 innocents dead to kill one terrorist? This is acceptable losses in modern American warfighting?
I can think of a better way to get the Houthis to stop attacking ships in the Suez
Give Israel to Iran?
I do think the US in particular should have pulled the leash on Netanyahu. Sure felt like they had a different understanding of who has the power in that relationship. (Thanks, AIPAC.)
However, regardless of the US stance, I think s genocide happens there no matter what. Even so, slowly and constantly over 30 years is better than devastation over 30 months.
It's not a black and white situation.
I don't even have the words for how insanely fucked up this mindset is.
This bombing campaign won't prevent missile attacks on shipping. If anything, it will further motivate ships to avoid the area.
We would indeed prefer shipping to Suez. That’s why we deploy navy ships to the Red Sea. Doesn’t mean that we asked for this particular strike on Jemen (which as many already pointed out is unlikely to affect piracy much). You can’t say you do something for Europe when to my knowledge no European nation asked for this “aide”.
Do you have the text of the 'did not go unnoticed' article, as it is paywalled for me
From the article, bolding mine:
"There are demands now for both Mr Waltz, who has been described by a White House official as a “f—ing idiot”, and Mr Hegseth to resign, which – given the seriousness of the security breach - should be the minimum required of them. But what must we conclude about JD Vance, who joined in the sneering at what are supposed to be his country’s chief allies with such gusto? And what about the future of our security operations? Do we continue to supply highly sensitive intelligence to a White House which holds us in contempt and might just accidentally broadcast critical information to random contacts?
And the biggest question of all: whose side is America on now? The “pathetic” Western countries with which it supposedly shares a democratic tradition or its new friend, Vladimir Putin, with whom it could comfortably carve up the world?"
I ran a roleplay spy organization that had tighter INFOSEC and OPSEC than this.
Have European leaders been living under a rock? The U.S. leaders have been pretty clear about Europeans countries freeloading and have told them to their faces repeatedly.