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Which hospital did Ukraine blow up?
The other part, let me phrase as a question: Would you describe attacking energy infrastructure the same day you agreed to a cease-fire on each other's energy infrastructure as "sabotage" of the peace deal? Why or why not?
Which modern socialist state should be the model, if the USSR is
Dude. Fucking never mind lol. I'm posting this to meanwhileongrad and moving on with my day. You can answer my direct questions above, or not, up to you.
Ukraine has been shelling Donetsk and Luhansk for decades, killing children and civilians.
Either way, the PRC is good. Feel free to post on that anticommunist drama comm.
Which hospital did they blow up?
You sent me a story from half a generation ago, about one shell from one side or another that fell and killed some civilians during an active close conflict.
When did the Ukrainians blow up a hospital? Or did they not do that?
You're being a debate pervert, I showed you an article about ongoing violence against Donetsk and Luhansk where Ukraine bombed a school, and because it isn't a hospital, bombing children is okay, I guess? Either way, here you go, Ukrainian forces bombing hospitals.
You might have missed it, but it doesn't look like the BBC story you showed indicated which side had shelled the school. Simply that, as part of some Moscow-backed fighting in an urban area, one side or another dropped shells on a school near where the separatists were besieging the airport.
Also, that source is hilarious lol.
What is this source? I'm not real sold by their repost of what they found on Telegram. What were they saying around the time of Feburary 2022? I tried to look in the Wayback machine but I couldn't find anything, and their archives aren't exactly easy to navigate. They appear to post one new story every minute, so it's kind of hard to trace back all that far just by simple means.
Of course BBC isn't going to report on which side dropped the bomb if it was an ally of the UK, it's just going to be vague. You can watch a documentary, read an article from Human Rights Watch,, or even watch it on CNN.
Sounds good. What is this source you sent me? What were they saying about the news from Ukraine in Feb 2022?
I'm not even sure what you're trying to do here anymore, I have given you everything from pro-Russian sources to anti-Russian sources, and seemingly none of them satisfy you. What's the point? I have stated that I want a peace deal ASAP, which is what Ukrainian people want as well. What is it that you want?
You sent me a source which is laughable propaganda. I don’t know if you know that or not, so I’m asking some probing questions about it. What is this source? Do you know what they were saying in Feb 2022? If I know the answers to those questions, I can test my belief (pretty certain tbh) that this source is a bunch of garbage, maybe even help to lead you to the same conclusion by walking us together through the process of looking into it.
I’m taking from this that you are okay with us just shouting dueling points of view at each other but repeatedly just asking you questions, you really don’t seem to like.
They even have a compilation for Feb 2022. I'm not going to defend the source to the death, my point is that there are numerous sources on both sides of the conflict that have reported on Ukraine shelling civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. I'm not a fan of BBC or CNN either, but also used them (and which you ignored, even the Human Rights Watch source).
I'll respond to your other comment as well, and then I'm disengaging. This is going nowhere, and you're only here to try to provoke responses, so this isn't productive for either of us.
That's actually not really true. A lot of people were getting shelled in those places, some of them combatants and some of them civilians. It's not all that clear who was doing how much of the shelling. Although, the idea that ethnic Russians were getting genocided at scale was a common Russian excuse for why they needed to start to commit murder on a much wider scale than anything they'd even bothered to claim was happening.
You said you wanted to disengage, so I won't bother to defend that point. But regardless, the deeper point is this:
Incorrect. This is productive.
We started talking about horrifying attacks on civilians. Rape, attacks on power plants in winter, attacks on apartment blocks, hospitals. Schools. Torture. Abduction of children. And somehow, when we started talking about that, you wanted to start to make excuses for it. Why, I sincerely don't know. But, I realized looking at it that that really shouldn't be normal on a humanistic social network. It should get called out, every time. Someone should start asking questions, and highlight how disgusting it is. That's productive. It has a good effect on the network as a whole. For as long as that's what you like to advocate, you should feel unwelcome and like people will pop up to disagree with you. That's how conversation and social relations work, in a healthy environment that can protect itself against violence and excuses for same.
I'm not sending you offensive images or assigning you some kind of insulting nickname. I'm not dogpiling senseless abuse at you, like your friends at you-know-where would have done. I'm just highlighting what you're saying. You can't bring yourself to say it's sabotage of a peace deal to agree to a peace deal and then immediately break it in overt fashion and at a large scale. Because admitting that wouldn't fit your narrative.
Why is that your narrative? I genuinely don't know. I did carry some kind of hope that you would be able to realize what you're actually saying, that these questions really should have straight answers from someone who claims to care about human rights and geopolitics and the safety of people from imperialism and violence.
I haven't been cursing at you, insulting you, refusing to engage with things you're saying or pretending you're saying something else. Nothing like that. But yes, I'm not-very-politely highlighting the bullshit of what you're saying. You're making excuses for genocide and murder, and then putting on a self-righteous cloak of "wanting peace" or being "practical," but the inability to answer or address certain questions really highlights what's actually going on.
Hey, look at it this way: At least I didn't blow up your apartment building and then blame you for not wanting peace! That would have been really rude of me, much more so than my typing.
Oh, actually, you said "hospitals" plural. Which hospitals did Ukraine blow up?