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[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I've always really liked this explanation image you can find on Wikipedia page for it. Essentially, people who see white and gold are mistaking the lighting to be cold and blue-tinted, rather than warm and yellow-tinted.

The portions inside the boxes are the exact same colors, you can easily check this with a color picker.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ah, so white and gold folks are, indeed, mistaken.

Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

This has been known for almost as long as the picture has been around. Still doesn't allow me to see it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

Incorrect. It is impossible to deduce the "real" color from the photo, both sets are true.

The photo is simply bistable.

You can argue that "the real dress bla bla bla", but nobody's looking at the real dress and everyone's looking at the photo.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As in using the colour picker on the image and finding the corresponding code? That's actually an explanation that I can get behind. Classic example of trust your instrument.

I see the dress as gold and white, no matter ehow hard I try to see the other side of the coin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Yup. Really you don't even need the color picker, as the two horizontal bars seamlessly connecting the two dresses are there to show the same thing.

I think the most fascinating thing about this example image is that I can trick myself into thinking the dress on the left is gold and white. By zooming all the way in so that I can only see the black portion of the dress inside the box and then squinting, it begins to look gold to me. Then scrolling up slowly, the blue portion comes into frame and looks white. It isn't until I zoom out that the illusion is broken.

I was once able to see the original image as black and blue (though I haven't managed it today unfortunately), and its baffling how large of a difference it is. You'd think its like some bright sky blue or something, but no, its a deep blue like in the image I sent and our eyes are laughing at us.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nope. Color cannot be measured, it is created in the brain. Pickers show pixel values (stimulus) and often don't correlate to the experienced color.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But you could use one I think, and then have that colour isolated and then dump it somewhere

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

You cannot measure perception with a color picker. Eyes + brain is not a measurement instrument.

Just like you cannot measure amount of salt used in a dish with your tongue.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this is the best explanation for why this 'controvesy' happened.

Certain background lighting conditions and colors can significantly alter the color and luminance of certain objects in that lighting environment, which otherwise, in less extreme lighting environments, look different.

Even just understanding basic color theory can show you how to make a color pallette out of either mutually complimentary colors, or highly contrasting colors... and how humans largely, (though apparently to differing extents and by different means), interpret a total color space by comparing and contrasting the colors within that space to each other, as opposed to against some objective reference point of all possible colors.

The other part of this explanation is that...

People were not talking about the same image.

Someone would argue one way, another person argues another way, and then someone else would do some kind of photoshop job to argue for one side, and their explanation and reasoning and justification would get lost, and ok now you have multiple images spreading around and being argued over by the same population that would...

... in 5 years, essentially start a civil war over the idea of whether or not it makes sense to wear a mask during an epidemic of a virus transmitted in the aerosolized spittle from sneezes, coughs, and even just breathing.

But yeah, when this was an ongoing thing, I'd have multiple different people in different camps... sending me actually different images, and it took a while to figure out which one was the actual original origin image.

Which of course I had to do on my own, but critical thinking and basic research skills, an impulse to verify the base assumptions of a claim or argument... many people do not know how to do this, or only selectively do it with things that challenge their pre-existing notions.

[–] al_Kaholic 6 points 5 days ago

Yeah that would never happen a war. Imagine of 3 groups of people worshipped the same God, just prayed to him on the floor, to a wall, and to the ceiling.- I'm sure they would get along and be super harmonious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

What the actual fuck? When this first came around, my eyes saw white and gold, in this post it looks like overexposed brown and blue, and looking at this graphic is fucking with my head! Brains are wee photo editors, aren't they?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But the dress in the photo looks like it's in the shadow so it's a fair assumption that the lighting would be blue-tinted.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

How does it look like it's in a shadow? The rest of the photo is over exposed like in bright lights so it's safe to assume that the dress is over exposed too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If theyre the same color, why can i see the black outlines way clearer in the yellow dress w/ blue tint side ?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

That would be because the outlines themselves are not the same colors, just the blue/white and black/yellow sections. Here's an image I quickly edited with the outlines and skin removed, so you can see just how much an effect they have on the image. Both dresses still look normal, but they no longer look like completely different colors when compared together this way.

(edit): And here's the same image with the outer boxes removed, to show how much the lighting is affecting things, where one of the dresses just looks completely wrong to me now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

lol I prob need those images described cuz for some reason…. I don’t even really know what I’m looking at heh… I’m not this dumb on other topics

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The two boxes are meant to be different types of lighting. The box on the left is a warmer, yellow lighting while the box on the right is a colder, blue lighting, which you can tell from its effect on the grey background. The portions of the dresses inside of this "lighting" are the exact same colors, which I tried to help demonstrate with the second picture. The portions of the dresses outside of the "lighting" represent their real color without any lighting affecting them.

The point of the image is just to show how two different colored dresses could look exactly the same depending on the lighting. At the same time, the real dress from the original image is seen as different colors by different people because brains are weird and they interpret the lighting differently.

Some people see a gold and white dress in a blue-tinted light like they're in the shade, while others see a black and blue dress that is overexposed by a bright yellow-tinted light.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I feel so dumb, you did such good work on this and… OK maybe I’ll just take another look in the morning and it’ll make sense

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I never understood this concept until you made the outlines the same. That's the tip i needed to get over the edge. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Very interesting. I wonder how big the effect of culture is on how people perceive this situation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I don't understand this, can you explain it?

In the left I see a black and blue dress with a yellow box. The dress inside the box is still black and blue (with yellow tint).

In the right side I see a white and gold dress with a blue. box. Inside the box the dress is white and gold, with a blue tint.

What am i supposed to see here? What is this telling me?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The dress inside the [left] box is still black and blue (with yellow tint). Inside the [right] box the dress is white and gold, with a blue tint.

The black and yellow colors inside the boxes are actually the exact same color, and the same goes for the blue and white colors inside the boxes (which is what the seamless bars connecting them is there to demonstrate). But they look completely different, right? The picture is showing us two different ways the exact same colors can be interpreted differently depending on the context surrounding it.

The way this connects to the original image of the dress, is that some people see a gold and white dress because they think the dress is in blue-tinted lighting, as though they were standing in shade. People who see an overexposed image with a bright yellow tint, on the other hand, will likely see a blue and black dress. I couldn't tell you why it happens, but it's the way our brains perceive the lighting that's doing it.

If you go to my profile and look at my comment before this one, I posted two slightly edited versions of the image that better show how they're the exact same color.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I wonder if could be an age component, too? Artificial lighting used to be a lot more yellow. "Party" lighting tends to be more blue.