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[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I didn't say you should try or expect to convince them of anything. Just pointing out the error is enough to let anyone curious enough follow up for themselves. I say that about this post because the person seems to have a genuine intuition about the vague idea of collective ownership.

You can't expect to convince someone in a single argument.

For myself, when I was still in a liberal mindset, I had someone on reddit say "down with democracy!", and I called them a fascist, because that sounded pretty fashy to me and it was during trump term 1 when those guys were really stretching their assholes and letting the shit flow.

They said actually no, they were a communist, so I just dropped it. I could tell they were being sincere but also I didn't really want to take the time to unpack their point.

It did flip a switch for me though, that someone was openly declaring to be a communist. It was definitely part of my walk away from vaguely status quo liberalism towards full anarcho communism.

I still think the way they said "down with democracy!" was bad rhetoric, and I understand they probably meant "down with liberal democracy", or maybe "down with representative democracy", or maybe they were some sort of weird nazbol and they really did think democracy as a concept was bad. Doesn't matter, it moved the needle for me.

Anyway, point being a sincere answer whether it's very well articulated or even correct, is usually better than making up some bullshit in some misguided machiavelian manipulation.

this post was submitted on 28 Jun 2025
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