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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Too many people here just blindly hating on Bernie and nitpicking how "Stalinism is technically incorrect". Where's the Trump hate? Bring some of that shit out. I'll start.

Fuck Trump, MAGA, and their entire cult of personality.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (32 children)

Because turbo libbing is not the solution to defeating Trump. It is similar to saying Israel has the right to defend itself before each statement. Bernie is actively antagonizing commies by repeating US imperialist propaganda and applying it to someone he does not like.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you feel antagonised when someone criticise Stalin then that's a you problem though.

Staline's Image Cult isn't "imperialist propaganda"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Americans using their global opponents which they demonize in all their media as insults is an all too classic trope.

I am sure we are all extremely well informed on Stalin because of our unbiased media.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yes, the US has red scare propaganda.

Historians exist outside of the US, though. We have decades and decades of non-US, non communist-scare historical research to know what the USSR and Stalin did. If you don't want to recognise the errors of the past, you will repeat them. If the most you can do is aim for Stalin's USSR but 2025 version, then you're as much an enemy of the people than capitalists are.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

red scares have been a global phenomena, not one isolated to the US. Pointless red baiting in response to what Trump being a fascist is about what I've come to expect from Bernie, the guy who can't call it a genocide.

Declassified CIA documents from the time even say that Stalin was not so much of an autocrat as commonly mythologized.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We're not all from the US, but yes all the western block got anti-Ussr colored info. Still there is little you can find that can make a critical mind see Stalin as anything but a dictator. There are things you can admire in Marx, Trotsky and even Lenin, but if you cannot see how Stalin hijacked the revolution to make his own autocratic empire that while somewhat communism flavored, was structurally not that different of a fascist state, then you are willfully blind. The leader worship, the paranoia, the constant surveillance, those have no place in a communist society.

It is those aspects precisely that make Sanders equate the republicans to stalinists. I think the comparison is apt.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Stalin did massively advance Russian science and industrialization. But he did so at a massive human toll. Also his role in fighting Hitler is so minimized that people think he colluded with Hitler when the USSR basically defeated Hitler by themselves at Stalingrad and America swooped in afterwards.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Stalinism isn't actual leftist politics. It's sycophantic moronery, just as Bernie used it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (8 children)

So when Stalin collaborated with Nazis to kill and chase away my relatives from what is now Ukraine that was imperialist propaganda? Why did so many of my ancestors flee Russia at that time?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

You mean the peace treaty he signed with Hitler to stall for time and build weapons after France and Britain refused to join forces with him to fight Hitler.

Have you considered asking yourself why France and Britain refused?

It is quite astounding to blame Stalin, the guy who basically fought Hitler all by himself, for the Holocaust.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Quite frankly, I think that the voters who would be put off by Bernie stating that MAGA and support for Stalin share similarities are both worthless and minuscule.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

protip: most of the bernie haters are forum sliders. Mods are even less likely here to do anything about it than on reddit.

Lemmy should be a place Bernie's policies are celebrated, but due to shills, bots, bad actors and just trolls, every post about him will be brigaded and turned into a shitshow

Lemmy is complicit in our march towards fascism and their lack of action is telling of their motivations

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