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[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I created the scores in JMSLscore

He created the score. If you equate using scoring software, MIDI and synths to creating slop with genAI we're done here my dude.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

now, not to be an asshole, but I remember 1) talking to Colin before a Gorguts show in 2014 ish and 2) Hearing it confirmed in an interview.

Oh also, in the documentation for JMSL (Java Music Specification Language) its puropuse is to :

It is suited for algorithmic composition, live performance, and intelligent instrument design. At its heart is a polymorphic hierarchical scheduler, which means Java objects that are different from one another can be scheduled together and interact with each other in conceptually clean and powerful ways.

JMSL's open-ended nature will reward your programming efforts and your creativity by offering you a rich toolkit for making music.

Just to beat on this idea a bit more, with JMSL you can make music based on experimental music theory, statistical processes, any algorithms you can implement... you can notate that music using JMSL Score, or leave it in the abstract. You can use Java's networking tools to grab data off the Internet and sonify it. You can _________ (fill in the blank and start slingin' code).

If you want to open a window with standard music staff notation and start entering notes, JMSL Score will let you do that as well. Straight out of the box. Later you can start writing your own custom note transformations, or generating musical material automatically, which JMSL Score will notate for you. Of course all music generated for and within JMSL Score can be mouse-edited, and transformed again!

https://www.algomusic.com/jmsl/download.html

JMSL_v2_20250209\JMSL_v2_20250209\html

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I see where you're coming from and will concede JMSL's ability to algorithmically create music.

I still maintain an artist using that or similar software (Guitar Pro, etc.) to translate their own ideas into a more manipulateable form for composing/practicing is fundamentally different from prompting a genAI that has been trained on ideas stolen from actual artists.

That said, music written via formula to cater to the lowest common denominator and generate the greatest possible monetary return is certainly closer to how genAI is/will be used, but the human element involved in writing, recording, and performing that music still distinguishes it from the sort of slop showing up on Spotify. AI generated works are an exemplar of derivative beyond that of even the blandest pop. The only human involved is the prompt writer at best; lyrics, melody, the recording itself are statistical approximations and entirely devoid of human creativity and that is an utter tragedy.

I'd much rather the record companies be replaced with systems that don't alienate the artists from their labor and creativity. Embracing slop is playing into the execs hands and removes all artistic merit from the process.

Quick edit; Generated slop training on generated slop is already a problem and will get exponentially as more platforms are flooded with it. That will only alienate and divorce it even further from reality. It will only get worse.