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If nobody invades, there's no problem, no?
there is the problem of people losing their limbs for generations to come.
but who cares right.
Wrong. If nobody invades, the mines don't get laid out in the first place.
If it does come to that, the positions are ~~marked~~ mapped and they will get cleaned out. The reason for the treaty was that in some places mines were just spread willy nilly.
I still haven't seen your explanation for how this is actually an offense, but keep moving that goalpost 👍
why the fuck make all that posturing around landmines, if they are not needed at all, and theres no indication it will?
This guy has never heard of deterrence
Well, why the fuck does any country without an immediate conflict coming up maintain an army?
For a moment earlier it sounded like you were concerned with people losing limbs to mines, and there I would agree if mines were planted proactively.
But you're just offended by defense.
Tanks and goodbye!
Specifically marked minefields were never illegal even with that treaty so......
What I mean is marked on a map, so I guess "mapped". I'm not operating with my native language here.
Yeah I mean the same the only thing that treaty was stopping was ap mines you could always have at mines and those can be rigged light to be jerry rigged ap.
nobody is invading.
Then what's the problem?
if they are not being invaded, why pull out of that treaty?
Mines are cheap and due to geography, they would be a relatively effective defense. For that reason, signing them away with the treaty was called a mistake even back then. Public opinion was about fifty-fifty for a long time and there was never enough political will to seriously consider withdrawal, or even for the opponents to be particularly vocal about it.
So why now? The full scale invasion in Ukraine was a shock that kicked the ball rolling. The topic became hot immediately and there was also a petition that collected signatures very fast. That took some time, but it's how we got here.
Edit: improved my bad explanation.
i don't think cheapness is a good justification
Now you have circled us back to the question you dodged before. You said there's no invasion. No invasion => No mines. What is the problem?
As long as there's no military need for them against an invasion there will be zero mines in the ground. No one will hurt themselves with them, unless some storage worker happens to drop a box on their toes.
As of why now, you can't pull out of agreement and start to build up manufacturing and logistics if there's active invasion going on. I hope not a single one of them is ever dug on our Finnish soil, but I'm glad that our military is prepared to use any viable option if they need to.
And how many die in wars if someone invades?