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Ok, I give up, where's loss?
Booring. Find a new joke.
loss is eternal I think
Loss is incredibly boring. It's become the millenial equivalent of a boomer joke. Might have been funny 17 years ago. But that was 17 years ago. Get a new joke.
loss has always been boring
The loss is the jobs we lost along the way.
Losing unnecessary jobs is not a bad thing, it's how we as a society progress. The main problem is not having a safety net or means of support for those who need to find a new line of work.
Like Landlords?
Wouldn't call that a job in the current context
The problem is not taxing robots and having an UBI. Banning work robot ownership too (you only get assigned one for work)
Yep, UBI would solve a lot of social issues currently, including the whole scare about AI putting people out of work.
Not sure what you mean about work robot ownership, care to elaborate?
Robot is assined by the government to work for you. You get one, but you can have others for non-commercial purposes.
Prevents monopolies and other issues that would lead to everyone getting robbed and left to die.
I don't see how that would be practical in any shape or form with society as it exists today, TBH. You're suggesting limitations on what normal people can own, based on the stated purpose of the asset. That's going to be impossible to enforce. Why are we even getting one 'commercial' robot assigned to us? The average joe isn't going to be able to make use of it effectively. Just tax the robots and make sure everybody has UBI.
The commercial robot would be put to use for you, and you would get a percent from it. The purpose is for you to "own" the Robot, specifically so certain people can't complain about having their taxes/labor stolen.
You can't get more in order to prevent corruption.
The personal use Robots are just there to do stuff for you, but you can't use them to get money.
That sounds like an interesting novel or movie, but utterly impractical in the real world.
Entirely too easy to game, or imagine a scenario where several generations after it's implementation, "high producing" robot jobs are inherited, creating a permanent upper class and a permanent lower class, because the only jobs that EVERYONE has access to are the jobs that will break your robot, and your bank.
It's essentially not different than the current situation from an exploitability aspect.
Currently every human being owns one "commercial robot", aka their body. Theoretically this means that labor is distributed: Every person can perform the work of one person.
But that doesn't stop capitalism to exploit that labor unfairly. A worker earning a company €1, gets only a very small fraction of that money.
That's literally the system we have now.
And we aren't even getting into what kind of robot one owns and that these robots perform wildly different depending on the task at hand (factory robot, vacuum cleaner robot, anything in between, ...)
That's why it sucks, man.
The alternative: let the ultra wealthy be the only ones with robots, and watch them literally take everything, and evict us to swamps. The lucky few get to be sex slaves, zoo animals, and torture victims, while the rest get to starve or be hunted down by drones.
That's a classic false dilemma, there's plenty of other options besides those two extremes.
Ok then, elaborate.
Cmon, you've posited two extremely improbable scenarios, do you really need others to point out the more likely ones, that don't involve us going full Mad Max?
UBI is one of the obvious ones. Tax the means of production, and make sure everybody has the basic necessities for survival.
If you're working class, look in the mirror
All the people who'll die because of substandard AI bullshit.