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you pretty much quote my point, which is why I talk about low cost in my original reply (yes I said no co coat at first because the spirit is prevent comunity barriers)
if the cost is high enough to be a barrier to entry it’s not rally a 3rd space in spirit even if it is called a name in his list
which given murica today isn’t American coffee shops in his day
buy a 12$ late then get the fuck out is not a 3rd space
Your original point was that third places require no cost. If you want to change to low cost, then bars and cafes still fit that category.
The average person can afford to order a beer or a coffee during their hangout. I've worked at Starbucks before, in a mall. It's an average of 5 to 6 usd for a drink. The cafe my friend works in is the same. An average place is not serving 12 dollar lattes. The outliers here is some crazy customization, like if you ordered a veinte frappe with cold foam and extra pumps of syrup and subbing whole milk for oat, all that jazz, and the cashier decided to actually ring you up for all of it, or if you decided to go to erewhon.
There is obviously a financial barrier for classifying third places, but that barrier is moreso on the restaurant level in my opinion.
I could talk end to end about how capitalism and world events has led to the slow destruction of the cafe as a third place, but that doesn't mean a traditional cafe and pub is not one. I'm obviously not going to consider erewhon a third place. I'm not going to consider a bar in a penthouse hotel a third place.
Here's an example of UC talking about pubs and cafes being a third place. It even talks about the idea of spending money and free third places.
https://esl.uchicago.edu/2023/11/01/third-places-what-are-they-and-why-are-they-important-to-american-culture/