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LOL Hamas didn't change the discussion, Israel did. I came into the news on Oct 07 with "Fucking Hamas" vibes, but that very quickly changed to, "Wow OK, Israel isn't fucking around." then "Woah Israel OK, maybe use a little more care there, I get that you were attacked but -- WOAH ISRAEL WTF ARE YOU DOING?"
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-was-hamas-thinking
Never read such bullshit before - those whiny ass Hamas bitches justifying butchering all those civilians.
If you were Hamas, what would you have done differently to obtain rights and privileges for the Palestinian people?
Understanding why Hamas might feel they are justified isn't the same as thinking it's OK. I don't condone what Hamas did - but I absolutely condemn how far Israel is going in response.
I also object to the idea that wanting Israel to stop is akin to antisemitism.
Fair enough but I'll keep my reply short for now -
We all know agree that Hamas are terrorists. Of course I condemn the attack, but I don't expect terrorists to behave in a way I'm happy with.
But Israel holds far more power and has more options. They are the vastly superior entity by every metric. They are also a member of the United Nations, and can reasonably be expected to conduct themselves better than acknowledged terrorist groups. Israel had a great justification to respond to the attack. They don't have a justification for going as far as they are.
Quoting myself from earlier -
Hamas didn't change the discussion, Israel did. I came into the news on Oct 07 with "Fucking Hamas" vibes, but that very quickly changed to, "Wow OK, Israel isn't fucking around." then "Woah Israel OK, maybe use a little more care there, I get that you were attacked but -- WOAH ISRAEL WTF ARE YOU DOING?"
Yeah, that about hits my opinion, too.
"Israel has the right to defend itself", but their actions fly far in excess of defense at this point.
I think a lot of people don't think it's good or OK, but more like: "what did Israel fucking expect?". It is what it is. It seems hypocritical to act so offended when Hamas kills a thousand Israelis, when my country happily pays Israel to kill multiples of that number of Palestinians.
I think it’s what you are seeing. Most people on Lemmy.world don’t post or comment with regularity. The ones that are more vocal tend to be more extreme. From my observations, the extreme rhetoric is the minority. To contrast, go to r/worldnews on Reddit. This place is tame in comparison.
I think they were talking about you.
Is Lemmy forcing them to be here? You can close the app at anytime.
I don't know what that has to do with anything. But alright. It was just kinda funny that they called you out, and you just kept on as if you were actually informing them about something.
I tend to stay away from extreme rhetoric. I’ve learned my lesson. ;)
Gotta keep that mask on, I guess.
If they only wanted to make the most extreme statements:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/thich-quang-duc-burning-monk
The difference compared to Hamas is, this monk sacrificed only himself.
If they wanted to turn it down a notch, they could have started with daily Demonstrations with thousands of people for starters.
They already tried to peacefully protest. Your suggestion is self immolation? Is that what you would do, or would you direct your anger outward?
So are you honestly pretending that Hamas didn’t send hundreds of suicide bombers into Israel before the blockade by Israel was imposed? This blockade was in return protested against by Hamas backed Protesters and those protests turned violent often.
The primary reason for the blockade is Hamas, so that the terror organization doesn’t get even more weapons than it already has.
Would YOU let a terror organization in your backyard gain access to weapons and military equipment that has vowed to wipe you and your people of the face of the earth?
And since you asked: No, I would never turn my anger outward like that. Never.
The motivations and methods of Hamas does not negate the fact that a peaceful protest March did take place. Meaning, the people of Palestine have tried peace. They were shot and maimed, even children. Let me ask you, if all 2.2 million Palestinians declared themselves Hamas, would you advocate for wiping them out?
You don’t even try to have a discussion and are not answering questions. Your Strawman arguments are quite lame.
You only want to paint the picture that poor Hamas had no other choice but to maim and kill civilians.
I end this „discussion“ at this point
So much hate, for what?