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Don't pivot. We aren't talking about genocide. You said this "is a situation Israel has manufactured". If you're going to make bold statements then back them up.
I explained it, and you claimed my explanation was oversimplified without any further detail. Seems you're the one making bold statements without backing them up.
There is an ongoing genocide - why is that not the most important part to you, and why should I care if whatever detail you claim I've missed doesn't justify that genocide?
...or an I correct in thinking you're taking this line because the genocide isn't something you're concerned about?
You want to talk about genocide that's fine. You want to say this is a situation Israel has manufactured: that's an entirely different topic. It's not complicated.
Also, the word genocide gets thrown around very loosely these days I've noticed. When the allies were bombing Germany in WW2 were they committing genocide? Millions of civilians died in the bombing of dreaden. I'm not saying Israel is NOT committing genocide, because a collective argument could be made if you put all the pieces together (blockade, settlements, etc). If by genocide you mean just the occurrence of civilian casualties, then surely you will admit Hamas is also conducting genocide every time one of their rockets kills an Israeli baby. ....Right?
This isn't an explanation of what I oversimplified that would justify the genocide - it's just dithering about the definition of genocide. I linked the UN definition in anticipation of your obviously bad-faith questions designed to diminish and distract from that genocide.
Third and final time: What did I miss in my oversimplification that would justify the genocide Israel is committing against Palestine? You say I've oversimplified, but haven't made any effort whatsoever to correct the record. Why might that be?
You said that "Israel manufactured the situation". It's clear your intention is putting the onus entirely on one side when history shows this is not the case. I'm not going to bother with reiterating the entire history of the region. If we are going to reduce all historic fact to such gross oversimplifications, we might as well say nothing. You may say I'm being pedantic, but your biased messaging is clear. The genocide topic is just a convenient way to sidestep my initial point (even after I conceded the genocide thing) which is why you keep bringing it up. If you can't engage with one point without having to keep pivoting to these other topics then it's clear you are either illiterate or just bad faith.
So there's no material context I've missed in the oversimplification you're claiming I've engaged in (I've asked you many times now), you don't have a point, and you're just being a genocide-defending piece of shit that's too cowardly to own their positions.
I say this with deepest sincerity - fuck you, you utter waste of a human life.
You know what I can play the same game and simplify history to my liking. Check this out: Japan manufactured Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Wow. What brilliant insight from scholars such as Waxed. Oh by the way, every time I can't defend a point I will call the other side guilty of genocide. Brilliant.
Yeah - the difference is that I pointed out why.
Did Japan work to support the rise of a government that wanted to kill them over one that didn't? I know about the internment camps, but wasn't aware Japan was turned into an open air concentration camp.
Whats a genocide?
Did the US president explicitly say the intended to genocide Japan?
Was one Japanese soldier being killed a genocide?
You're bad faith.
Did Japan genocide the US, actually?
If you don't know the name of the president's dog's mother, can you really call this a genocide?
I don't support the US.
Such a dipshitted distraction from the point - you still haven't pointed out that context I missed in my oversimplification.
Yooo also from your definition:
One example. Of course his cabinet are less connected with international politics and are more inclined to use direct language.
Genocide or not, why are you defending the Israeli government slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians - including huge numbers of children indiscriminately? We certainly don't see Hamas being targeted in the casualty stats.
Yooo I was never interested in defending Israel. Fuck the IDF. I lived there a while back too. All I did was take issue with your dumb take about the regions history. Edgelords everywhere.
Yet here you are, with nothing but goalposts to shift and not a point in sight.