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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I’m not seeing how this in anyway even really touches on this issue at hand. A paper on human development to show that “science says” we have a “human” at the moment of conception?

At the end of the day this is going to just be about what your definition of a “human” is rather than anything “science” has to say.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This one goes to the embryo

https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development

But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it's like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.

I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It wouldn’t because I have criteria, most specifically the ability to suffer, that underpins how I feel about abortion. This is independent of wombs or even DNA potentially.

I mean, I understand not wanting to allow violence on humans. But this still tied back to the definition of human. And, for me, if we take it back to ability to suffer, it makes a direct case for the way I feel about any entity’s (human or non human) rights

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