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My argument referenced the contents of several parts of the constitution, including two amendments. It referenced current practices by states as well as reasoning as to why not following the recommendation can have poor outcomes. In response to your comment, I even referenced the contents of existing case law.
Your "argument" lacks anything approaching an argument. Where's a reference to any part of the constitution? Where's any precedent? If you can make a similar constitutional argument about dipping french fries in frosties being illegal, feel free to do so. But you don't get any credit for simply claiming you can do it. I doubt you could make a coherent argument on french fries if you tried. Maybe not even if you were a law student, for example. But I'd bet a constitutional lawyer would be able to make an argument. But anyways, the point is that you didn't even try. You just claimed victory.
I feel like we've gone through the part where I disagreed with you. Then you reacted by misinterpreting my comment. Then, I explained everything, and now, we both know that there's nothing factually wrong with what I said, but you are still somehow trying to make new arguments. There's nothing to win here, and in fact, your last argument is quite low quality, trivial to refute.
My point is that I don't understand your motivation. It seems like you should just acknowledge that you understand what I mean, and we can all get on with life doing other things.
I started off by letting everybody know I was making an argument. When you're making a legal-style argument, you try to convince people that it's true. So, you say things as if they're obviously true.
This is literally what lawyers do when they're making arguments. If it's "absurd", as you say, then our entire adversarial system is absurd. But this is the way things are actually done.
If I was doing something other than an argument, say, a legal analysis, I would use different language.
I actually tried fairly hard to make sure that my comment did not insult your intelligence, but focused on your argument. But I also said that you probably didn't have the knowledge of a constitutional scholar to actually make the argument. You might find that an insult, but it was part of my argument because you said it was something you were "easily" able to do. You were the one who brought up your own abilities ("I could just as easily argue that it says dipping french fries in frosties is illegal") as part of the argument. If you didn't want me to talk about them at all, then you either shouldn't have brought them up as part of the argument, or you should have done the thing that you said you could easily do.
I get the feeling, because you keep trying to bring up other things, that you feel that I'm somehow being off-topic. But then, you still keep arguing against those same points that I'm making, so that makes them on-topic. If you don't think they're worth arguing, then don't argue them. From my perspective, all that happened was that I brought up a valid argument, and you keep attacking it, which is fine. But all of those attacks lack merit, so I feel the need to defend it. If you'd stop attacking, or if you somehow proved your point (which I don't think is possible), then this thread would simply end.
(By the way, I want you to know that I don't believe in comment downvotes for anything except completely off-topic things like spam. I haven't been upvoting your replies, but I certainly haven't been downvoting them. I am actually impressed when I meet another person like me who argues, but doesn't downvote, which is what you're doing, as most of my comments have zero downvotes. So overall, I commend you for that. I'm sorry that other people are downvoting you.)