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[–] Bigtiddygothgrany@lemmy.world 374 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If buying isn't ownership then pirating isn't stealing

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 131 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh but it's not buying! The big "Buy" or "Purchase" button might have said so, but if you'd have careful read through 35 pages of user agreements, you'd see that you only rent the license to stream it.

Which obviously is total bullshit and the whole fucking system should be burned to the ground.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago

This is precisely why I refuse to buy digital games. (And it extends to other media, but games are where I actually spend money)

I’ll pay for a rental service designed to be a rental service (ps+, for example) but will not buy individual games digitally. Who knows when they will become unavailable for some reason, and I can no longer download a copy. It’s bad enough when servers are shut down within 2 years of launch, but when the whole game gets pulled, then what?

I’ve decided I’m not even bothering with the next generation of consoles. So few things are even released on disc, with half the consoles being digital only, that it’s not even worth it. I’ll pirate instead.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago (160 children)

Pirating isn't stealing either way.

Also, copyright infringement never even used to ever be a crime, although now there is a form of criminal copyright infringement, if it's done for money or if the value is above a certain amount. Thanks to lobbying from wealthy industries. Most copyright infringement still is not a crime, though.

The reason industries lobby for harsher copyright laws is because they know they can make more money if people can't pirate. They take the piss with their pricing, but they're acutely aware that if they take the piss too much then people will turn to piracy. By prohibiting piracy and levying harsh penalties they can get away with even more unfair pricing, and maybe even profit from piracy through punitive damages (which is mainly a US thing, most sensible nations only allow you to sue for actual damages).

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 56 points 1 year ago (99 children)

Licensing isn't ownership, and pirating isn't stealing, it's copyright infringement.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The previous comment is more like shorthand, rather than literal truth.

It's faster to say piracy isn't stealing if purchasing isn't ownership than it is to say "if a company can simply reverse a permanent access license at any time then pirating media from them is perfectly ethical and should not be considered a crime"

[–] null@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's bad shorthand though. In this context, there was never any "buying content" happening, nor was piracy ever "stealing". It's just misrepresentation of both sides.

[–] T0RB1T@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's fair, but I feel like the point is that many people go through a process where

  1. You pay money
  2. The buttons on your screen say "buy" "purchase" "check-out" or something else to that effect

That feels like buying media, so according to the common "consumer" (hate that word) brain, you are spending money to buy content.

At the same time, media corps have been trying to teach us for years that piracy is exactly the same as stealing.

The whole point of the shorthand is to explain that these are not facts, they're misconceptions, AND both of these misconceptions exist for the same reason, corporate propaganda.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago

That feels like buying media

It doesn't just feel like it, it says it. What it is is false advertising. If you don't get to keep it forever, the button should say something along the lines of "rent until we decide to stop hosting it".

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Come up with something better then.

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[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Infringe me harder daddy ©👄©

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