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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

When was he convicted of insurrection or anything related to that?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I watched it on TV. Doesn't take a genius to watch the days events of January 6th unfold, and the months prior to know he attempted a coup to stay in power. Why it failed, I don't have any insider knowledge.

But it's come out that it was a lot more coordinated behind the scenes than what we all witnessed on Jan. 6th. We don't need a jury for that (although there is an ongoing criminal investigation for it)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally the FBI said it wasnt at all coordinated. But that is a separate question to if Trump was responsible for what happened in any way.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Judge Wallace in Colorado found that Trump engaged in insurrection. It’s now a legal fact.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I doubt USA Today is based in Colorado, other states might decide he didn’t engage in insurrection. There are still cases pending against him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Donald Trump spent months telling people to come to the capital on January 6th, you really gonna try to say that wasn't coordinated in anyway, hell?

But, that's not even what I was talking about, Trump fired generals, and had a whole fake electorate scheme, and there was a behind the scenes coup attempt that the public didn't really know about. That's the part I was saying was coordinated. Jan. 6th was a distract if anything for the real coup plot.

And the only reason it failed is bcz there were a lot of high level officials in the government who wouldn't go along with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What is wrong with telling people to come to the capitol? I understand your point, but he didnt do anything illegal or he would have been prosecuted already.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (14 children)

He IS being prosecuted for the fake electoral scheme. You also seem to think this country's laws actually apply equally to everybody. You obviously haven't been paying enough attention to what's been happening.

Our system is pay to win.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here you go happy reading: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf

You will find section G. Titled "President Trump engaged in an insurrection" to be of interest.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So a judge did an unjust thing and you want me to accept that as something that as okay?

Are you guys aware of what his happening right now with trump and all these cases and how its targeted prosecution? I am not even going to vote for him, but its pretty obvious what is happening, and I fear how this will end.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Prosecutions generally are targeted at criminals.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Exactly, you guys want to removed about the orange man, but dont actually want to look at the dangerous things we have going on with the government right now.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

If each and every one if these cases was not carefully and fully investigated over a course of several years, you might have an argument.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its paywalled, but does it talk about him being convicted of insurrection?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol outlined 17 specific findings on Monday in the executive summary of its final report. Here are the findings, with additional context.

  1. Beginning election night and continuing through Jan. 6 and thereafter, Donald Trump purposely disseminated false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid his effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions. These false claims provoked his supporters to violence on Jan. 6.

Annotation: This reflects the committee’s finding that Mr. Trump’s repeated false claims that the election was rigged had both a political and financial motive. During its second hearing, the panel introduced evidence that Trump supporters donated nearly $100 million to Mr. Trump’s so-called Election Defense Fund but that the money flowed instead into a super PAC the president had created. It was not just “the big lie,” the committee said. It was also “the big rip-off.”

  1. Knowing that he and his supporters had lost dozens of election lawsuits, and despite his own senior advisers refuting his election fraud claims and urging him to concede his election loss, Donald Trump refused to accept the lawful result of the 2020 election. Rather than honor his constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” President Trump instead plotted to overturn the election outcome.

Annotation: Mr. Trump and his allies filed more than 60 lawsuits challenging the results of the election and lost all but one of them. Many of the suits, the committee determined, were brought even after some of Mr. Trump’s closest aides — including his campaign manager, Bill Stepien, and his attorney general, William P. Barr — told him that there was no fraud that could have changed the outcome of the race.

  1. Despite knowing that such an action would be illegal, and that no state had or would submit an altered electoral slate, Donald Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes during Congress’s joint session on Jan. 6.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am aware of the facts, but again, there was no conviction of insurrection or anything related. Do you understand how the conviction is the important part, not what people claim?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (87 children)

Conviction is not the important part, at all.

The 14th Amendment was intended to keep former Confederates out of government. The people who wrote it had no intention of putting former Confederates on trial.

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