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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I know this is anecdotal. As an American, when I mention knowing a second language, I will occasionally get "oh, I know that language too!" from someone. And... They don't. They know a couple phrases at best.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“oh, I know that language too!” from someone. And… They don’t.

Prime example: according to numerous surveys more Dutch people speak French well than Belgians.

Belgian is half French speaking, French is taught in Flemish schools from an early age, and many Dutch/Flemish speakers work in predominantly French speaking Brussels, and/or have French speaking friends/relatives.

But it's understandable: a Dutch person thinks their French is great if they manage to order something in a French restaurant while on holiday and have the waiter understand them. That's more than enough for their purposes. A Flemish Belgian thinks their French is bad, if they're unable to write a letter in French which respects rules like those about accord COD/COI (Elle a pris des photos. Les photos qu'elle a prises. Elle est allée prendre des photos. - Hope that's correct)

That and Dunning Kruger. If you have little competence in foreign languages, you don't know enough to know that you don't know enough.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly! They think they know German because of a few phrases. Meanwhile, I think my German is bad because I watched the TV show "Real Humans" (Echte Menschen) in German with German subtitles and got lost anytime they were talking about legal matters in the lawyer's office!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is broadly true with white Americans that their immigrant background is there already for generations... but a huge part of america does not even speak English at home. America is a melting pot of people from everywhere in the world.