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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine you're a government lawyer working on the US case and you show up to a deposition and pull your iPhone out set it on the table.

What are the chances that your Apple ID and iCloud are mysteriously banned for violations of the terms of service for which Apple can't share the specific reason because of "policy related security reasons" before the week is out?

[–] dtrain@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s called “ retaliation” and Apple would have to be pretty fucking stupid to do that to the prosecutors at any point, let alone in the middle of a dep.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apple would have to pretty fucking stupid to openly retaliate against Epic for criticizing their DMA plan but here we are.

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Commiting felonies to antagonize a DOJ lawyer personally would be a whole different level of stupid.

[–] halva@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well, it wouldn't be a felony, they don't own their apple id lmao

but it certainly wouldn't impress neither the prosecution, nor the judge

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The act of retaliation is the part that's a felony dude, not banning someone's apple id.

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

NAL, but it would likely be enough for a felony obstruction of justice charge. Add to that, depending on specifics of Apple's legal response (and whether they throw the employee under the bus,) a CPAA charge for exceeding authorized access in a computer system.

[–] HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So this wasn't exactly retaliation. The first approval epic got this year was from an automated system. Once they got the approval they assumed (very understandably) that apple was okay with them establishing their store within the new guidelines, so they announced their plans publicly. They also continued to diss apple on Twitter of course. Hearing the announcement, Apple execs decided to ban them again because they didn't adhere to the rules last time.

This however completely looked like retaliation from apple's side, so the DMA lawyers started an investigation and Apple had to re-allow epic again.

Wether it's apple's fault for having the shitty automated system or not, doesn't really matter though. I just hope we get proper sideloading by the end of the process.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, this was exactly retaliation. Phil Schiller explicitly said in emails that they were removing Epic's Switzerland's account because they couldn't trust them because of how critical their recent comments about the DMA plan were.

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So? That doesn't change how stupid it was to publicly retaliate against them, and explicitly write out that you were punishing them for their criticism. The point is that Apple execs are as dumb as your average person, just greedier.

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah it does... Epic doesn't have a big stick like the whole court system to punish Apple.

The prosecutor does.