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[–] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 33 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Seriously, why can't they get a better candidate? 😕

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 11 months ago

because first past the post voting socks

[–] banana_lama@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm voting for someone better. It's an option. They probably won't win tho

[–] xionzui@sh.itjust.works 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Given the stakes in this particular election, I don’t think it’s a good option

[–] banana_lama@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What are the stakes? A genocidal maniac vs a genocidal maniac?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Found the white leftist.

Moghafil, you don't get to use my people's plight as an excuse to get out of your bare minimum duty to protect lives with your choices.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And by not voting for him, you're voting for the guy who gave Netenyahu the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

I know damn well who Netenyahu would be voting for if he got the choice, and that's all you need to know too if you aren't just a bougeyvik fascist.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

And by not voting for him, you’re voting for the guy who gave Netenyahu the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Not to mention the guy who ALSO will block the ICC from prosecuting Netanyahu.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And by not voting for him, you’re voting for the guy who

Not how voting works

I know damn well who Netenyahu would be voting for if he got the choice

probably the guy blocking the International Criminal Court from prosecuting him for documented war crimes

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, let's say someone wants to make the best possible decision for Palestinians. Meaning using their vote to produce the best possible outcome for Palestinians.

Who should they be voting for? How would it impact the situation? Why would that be the best? What is the risk assessment? In other words, how likely is successful, how good is success and how damaging is failure?

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It will make no material difference who you vote for. You cannot say "trump will be worse" when people are being firebombed in Rafah right now and the guy in power is doing nothing to stop it, and in fact actively blocking attempts to make it stop. You've got student protests being smeared as antisemitic and being violently broken up by police and zionists. From where I'm standing, it really really seems that my 2020 "harm reduction" vote backfired hard and really just gave cover for all of this horrible shit to happen anyways.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you believe that voting for trump would have caused a better result? Because otherwise how did it backfire? If it makes no material difference?

If you don't think voting trump would have been better, who should people have voted for? I don't want to repeat my question but now I am curious about your answers to both last and next election.

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These people don't have answers to this question because they're not interested in answers. They just want to feel smug and superior to everyone. Literally nothing would be good enough for them

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

It is fine that you feel that way but I would like to know their thoughts. If they are right, they will be able to argue their position. If they are just e.g. smug, then they will avoid giving answers and at some point, reflection might kick in and they might actually try to argue with themselves and find the answers that we are all looking for. If they are just smug, that is. I don't know but maybe they have the answers

[–] BlackSpasmodic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

You've got your head on straight. Screw these attempts to guilt you into voting how someone else wants you to

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

Because the candidate gives them what they want, and you'll support him regardless.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Did you guys prepare a candidate capable of primarying Biden?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Do you think a political party that actively and willfully prepares an opponent for the current elected head of state that belongs to their party could survive for any length of time?

Of course, it's worse than that. They clearly want Harris 2028.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You people always let the mask slip when you mention Harris. You just can't stand a Black woman being that close to the Presidency.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

I can't stand my party running a tough on crime prosecutor. Harris is an awful pick for high office and her unremarkable term as VP speaks volumes about how many policy decisions she genuinely has strong feelings about. She's milquetoast, uninspiring, and would likely cost us another election.

Fuck off with assuming that everyone who disagrees with you does so simply because of gender or race.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Competitive primaries are a feature of any organization democratic enough (in the philosophical sense, not the "Democratic Party" sense). As long as you don't actively fight for the leadership of the Democratic Party, they are going to continue screwing you and ignore any political demand that isn't timid enough. Just my two cents as an European.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Because who you can vote for is controlled by wealthy people and corporations that lobby the dominant parties, because the only way to amass that much support to run a campaign is through the Democrats or Republicans. You can't vote for who you want, you must always pick the lesser of two evils.

America has never really had proper democracy at the federal level if you can't vote third party, realistically.

[–] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Ah, so it's just corrupt rich people screwing the world over like always...