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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's not circular. LLMs cannot be fluent because fluency comes from an understanding of the language. An LLM is incapable of understanding so it is incapable of being fluent. It may be able to mimic it but that is a different thing. (In my opinion)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You might agree with the conclusion, and the conclusion might even be correct, but the poster effectively argued 'only humans can be fluent, and it's not a human so it isn't fluent' and that is absolutely circular logic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If we ignore the other poster, do you think the logic in my previous comment is circular?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Hard to say. You claim they are incapable of understanding, which is why they can't be fluent. however, really, the whole argument boils down to whether they are capable of understanding. You just state that as if it's established fact, and I believe that's an open question at this point.

So whether it is circular depends on why you think they are incapable of understanding. If it's like the other poster, and it's because that's a human(ish) only trait, and they aren't human...then yes.