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UK Conservatives lose two seats but hold on to Uxbridge (archive.is)

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Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives on Friday suffered two crushing UK parliamentary by-election defeats but averted a “3-0” drubbing by unexpectedly holding on to Boris Johnson’s old Uxbridge seat.

The grave problems facing the British prime minister were highlighted when the opposition Labour party secured its biggest-ever by-election win in the once-safe Tory seat of Selby and Ainsty in Yorkshire.

Earlier the centrist Liberal Democrats demolished a massive Tory majority to win the seat of Somerton and Frome, opening up a dangerous new front for Sunak in the Tory heartlands of England’s South West.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You've obviously decided to vote Lib Dem regardless of reality, so I'm not sure there's any point continuing this discussion.

What we've established is that the Lib Dems and Labour have the same vices, as enumerated by you, but that Labour have the policies closest to your own. If you think that's a reason to vote Lib Dem, I guess that's your right. As for me, I'm going to vote for the party most likely to do the kinds of things that we both want: Labour.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You’ve obviously decided to vote Lib Dem regardless of reality

I haven't decided anything yet, there's a long time until the election.

Maybe Keith will be toppled and Ed Miliband will come in and start saying things I like, and then I'll change my mind.

I’m not sure there’s any point continuing this discussion.

Well I have listened to your points, I did some research on the ULEZ thing and I just don't think that's the reason they lost this by-election. the current state of things Labour should be walking that and I don't believe ULEZ explains it, most people won't have to pay anything for ULEZ it's a total non issue.

If you think that’s a reason to vote Lib Dem, I guess that’s your right.

I mean, they support PR don't they?

They always have and they've never played politics with the issue, same for the SNP. I'd vote for that even if I didn't like their other policies.

I’m going to vote for the party most likely to do the kinds of things that we both want: Labour.

If I thought they were going to do the things I think we agree need doing, then I would agree, but I don't trust them and I definitely don't trust Keith.

I should say, I quite liked what he had to say about Brexit and things before he became leader and in fact he was my prefered choice for leader (not that I get a vote as I am not a member of any party and I wouldn't last 5 mins in Labour with all their rules anyway) , I am judging him based on what I've seen.

The trouble is, there is no party that really is offering the radical change we needed 20 years ago. At least voting for a PR party we can maybe get that done and maybe in 5 - 10 more years we can start getting some actual good policy.

I'd be quite interested to know why it is you have as much faith in Starmer as you do?