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Treating this as an honest question - by raising the issue so that it can't easily be ignored.
Just gonna put this here, because MLK says it better than I can:
Letter from Birmingham - MLK
This is a contradictory statement.
It can't both be
Either pushing this issue threatens the democratic base of support or nobody cares enough about this issue to make it a winning one.
I'm just going to keep quoting this back to you.
Then it shouldnt be of any concern to you that I continue agitating it.
"[...]create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue."
Except, at least on paper, we all agree that there is a resolution that would be acceptable to both parties.
I suspect (as do many other leftists who have a more cynical view of american imperialism than you do) that Biden is well aware of what the right thing to do is, but doesn't want to be the one to give up the benefits of having Israel as a foothold in the middle east and is willing to accept a genocide in order to keep it.
If Biden ever made a strong case publicly on why Israel is such an important ally that we should ignore their atrocities, it would be impossible for any of us to miss it. I think we haven't seen that case being made because nobody who believes in the benevolence of the US would be happy with it.
I completely agree, but I imagine we probably disagree about who is propagandizing for israeli support. I don't think it's a baseless accusation to suggest the US stands to gain something from the relationship, and suggesting otherwise is a little strange considering just how robust that support is. Biden himself said if Israel didn't exist, the US would create one to advance her interests in the Middle East. I'm assuming that didn't come out of nowhere.
Then someone should be pushing him to make a stronger one, either way, before he loses the election to an issue he seems to not have a compelling response to.
This would be more compelling if it were just Biden perpetuating that relationship, but it (seemingly) exists throughout the entire institution, from individual polititions to the state department to educational institutions to media conglomerates. My own inclination is to view it as a self-perpetuating system, rather than a per-decision-maker issue. The more persistent a trait is in a system (despite obvious challenges to that trait), the more likely I think it is that the issue doesn't exist at the individual level but at the level of the institution itself. Most people I discuss this with here seem to agree that there are substantial benefits for the US to have an iron-clad ally in the ME, i'm curious what you think of those suggestions? Namely that the US (through israel) maintains influence over the red sea as well as major oil and gas pipelines that traverse the area.
This sounds an awful lot like a conspiracy, but setting that aside for a second (because I acknowledge that a lot of issues are determined by financial contributions), wouldn't this be a very compelling reason why we should be creating a crisis against letting this campaign continue? If you're arguing (like I think you are..?) that we should permit our politicians to continue supporting a genocidal fascistic state simply because they can afford to contribute more to our political system than we can to buy their vote, how is that not an apathetic stance?
Frankly, this is a frightening way to look at american democracy, and i'll say the same to you that i'd say to anyone else feeling this apathetic: you don't have to accept this reality alone. We can fight against it together.
I'm sorry we butt heads so often, I really think we could both benefit if we worked together but you at least need to acknowledge that the problem isn't impossible to overcome.
I don't want to burn any goodwill we might have built here, so I'm not going to pick out the few things here I disagree with just to keep it going.
I basically believe that Biden can't win with this position, and agitating him to change it is the only thing I can do from where I am to fix that. I hope I'm wrong.
I'll try to clear it up a little.
Here's a recent poll showing that support for ending the invasion into Gaza isn't widely supported
There's a lot of risk to Biden's election chances if he withdraws his support for Israel, probably more risk than if he maintains his current actions. So withdrawing his support for Israel isn't the clear cut winning decision that you seem to think it is.
Your threat of withholding your vote for Joe Biden unless he changes policy to match what you want will most likely result in Joe Biden losing the election. If he changes course and withdraws support as you want then he'll probably lose more voters than he gains, costing him he election. If he stays the course and you don't vote for Joe Biden he's likely to lose the election.