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[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Did you read about the Trump peace deal (organized via his kids!), which would require only Palestinians to make concessions, giving up land, giving up freedoms, being subject Israel's security forces, giving them no rights, and which gave all power to Israel (and which obviously fell through)?

Biden applies political pressure on Netanyahu to push for ceasefire:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/02/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-biden/

Trump plans to pressure Palestinians:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

The plan proposed a series of Palestinian enclaves surrounded by an enlarged Israel,

Netanyahu announced that the Israeli government would immediately annex the Jordan Valley and West Bank settlements while committing not to create new settlements in areas left to the Palestinians for at least four years. U.S. Ambassador to Israel David M. Friedman claimed that the Trump administration had given permission for an immediate annexation, stating that "Israel does not have to wait at all"

The plan itself places no conditions on Israel with regard to proposals to "annex parts of the West Bank".[8]

The plan puts the Palestinians on probation, establishing a set of conditions they must meet and adopting Netanyahu's view that a shrunken Palestinian entity will be a state in name only; Israel will control of its borders, air space, electro-magnetic spectrum, foreign policy and security

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes...

It's bad when trump supports a genocidal regime...

It's bad when Biden supports a genocidal regime...

Now, here's the big one. Get up and stretch, take a nice long deep breathe.

Ready?

It's bad when literally fucking anyone supports a genocidal regime.

Here's another big one:

If you excuse Dems for doing something because trump does it too, then if you don't slow down and look around, you're going to be supporting someone just like trump, because republicans found some asshole even worse.

Republicans won't magically get better

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't excuse the dems, but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

Netanyahu would not be angry at Biden for his demands if Biden was fine with everything they do.

Netanyahu would not prefer to have Trump back if the two were equal.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

No I don't, because he obviously is.

It's just neither of them are good enough to be president.

Like,you know there's not really a valid reason to run unpopular neoliberals just because trump is in office right?

We could just runnwhat Dems historically do very very well with:

A young charismatic person running a progressive campaign.

There is literally no reason to be running someone the majority of registered Dem voters don't want to be president, just because they don't want the Republican.

How does that system make any logical sense?

How will shit ever improve?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Ok, then tell me who that candidate is who can win instead of Biden.

I'm waiting.

I am not super fond of Biden, and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced. But my top priority is harm reduction, and switching to a candidate who can't beat Trump would send USA into turmoil

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If your top priority was harem reduction you wouldnt be supporting the one causing the most harm right now. And not just Palestinians, us included

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying Biden personally is causing the most harm, and that Trump wouldn't cause more? Or do you think it's irrelevant that acting as you suggest would make things worse?

I don't disagree he's handled it bad, but your options are between pressuring him to do better or Trump wrecking everything he gets his hands on

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you haven't realized it, there is no 'pressuring Biden' I'm not saying that Trump would cause more harm or Biden is causing more harm. Harm is harm. People are dying. People are being starved. It doesn't matter who is doing it, right now the greater evil is Biden. He is the one actively engaging in killing and starvation of people. If people would move beyond the bullshit concept of lesser evil and simply accept no evil, then we might be able to progress as a country.

If you haven't noticed both of them work in tandem to benefit the wealthy against the needs of the working class

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Which world do you live in

Sounds like BS bothsidesisms

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

There are no both sides being used they are on the same side. Us vs Them

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Elizabeth Warren for one

Pretry much any Dem from the house or Senate too.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Is Warren running?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Something tells me that if Warren was the option you'd still have a litany of complaints about why you weren't going to vote for her

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I didn't catch what you said. Is Elizabeth Warren running for president?

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden has helped clear away 115 sq miles of Gaza land for Trumps kids. Its fucking insane how groups if people will overlook whats actually happening and be terrified of what might happen,

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have you seen Trump's history of actions? It's not what "might" happen, it's a certainty he'll make it worse

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and I've also seen Biden's history of actions, evidence that neither one of them represents the working class.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Biden who canceled tons of student debt and supported unions, not supporting the working class?

Do you favor the Trump who supported companies above unionizing workers?

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Appearing for an arranged photo op doesn't make him anymore union than Trump's photo op at a church with a Bible made him Christian. Biden still answers to capital first and leaves us with table scraps.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are the Russians in the room with you now?