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[–] [email protected] 312 points 10 months ago (9 children)

The difference in results between Scandinavia and the rest of the EU is very interesting. A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

[–] [email protected] 145 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also, a well working social system with low corruption. But it's a bit chicken and the egg sort of situation.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's really not that simple. Look at Austria, for example. It's also a lot about culture and society itself and how it developed. We are exporting nazis ffs. Shit that gets people thrown out of parties in Germany (like Krah) is just another Tuesday in Austria. And we have a great educational system. Of course with ways to improve.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago

Austrian Nazis? now I've heard everything!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Krah wasn't kicked out, they just didn't want him to show up to events because of looks. Now that the election is over watch them fully embrace that treasonous, SS glorifying nazi back as their top candidate. Also I bet it will not take longer than two weeks until LePenne forgets that the AfD is more and more admiting to be fascist and welcomes them back to ID

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're not up to date I guess. He will not be part of the Delegation. But he's still a member of the AfD. (https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/krah-afd-europaparlament-fraktion-100.html)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You are right, I posted this before it hit the news that he was kicked out of the delegation. However, it wouldn't surprise me if that changes again after the dust settles. He is still a party member, as you said.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Krah just forbidden by his party to go campaigning (and he did campaign anyway)? As far as I know he's still part of the AfD.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

It really depends, there's plenty of ways to politicize an educational system and call it well-working. I think a more crucial distinction would be to teach people to be able to discern good sources from shit sources and how they can be manipulated without realizing it, and having taught across several semesters, if a good education system is simply not viable (i.e. poorer EU countries).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

That has never stopped fascism before. Ever.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I think they assume "well working" means "is not a propaganda tool for the fascists."

They probably don't want to acknowledge that capturing schools, and what history and literature they are allowed to teach, is also the easiest way to create the Hitler Youth.

It also rather demonstrates that they are the best way to create the Anti-Hitler Youth.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It also rather demonstrates that they are the best way to create the Anti-Hitler Youth.

As far as I'm aware, proper antifascism is not a subject taught at European schools. Today's antifascists had to learn it the same way the interwar antifascists learned it - from scratch.

But it's actually far, far worse than that. Liberal societies are utterly unwilling to confront what fascism really is nor the reasons fascism grows so easily in said liberal societies, and education cirriculums, of course, follow suit. This all makes it very easy for fascism to fester pretty much out in the open.

I won't be relying on a formal education system to even slow fascism down... never mind stop it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What is the proper anitfascism?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Let go of your earthly desires and become Buddha.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Definitely not the way the GDR did it. In the west it actually was simple, besides the obvious (teaching accurate history) boiling down to essentially Schopenhauer:

The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

And it works! Germans take much pride in their individual capacity to complain about the nation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

That, and also that's not how the English language works.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

That's why the right hate universities. Well, that and the fact they unis will call out their BS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Indeed it is. And still our right wing populists are constantly screeching how the "general media is clearly and unfairly left-biased," and "how the other side of the story remains untold".

No shit, Sherlock. Nearly all journalists have college or university degrees, that's what happens when you open your mind to the larger world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

EU élections are often used to show your frustrations with the current government. In Sweden and Finland the current government is right wing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Participation in the EU election in Sweden was at a record low - just above 50%, which is amongst the worst in Europe. IMO that's a serious warning flag.