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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Or, you don't know what you're talking about....and Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country, and that's why the UN framed this as a warning.

Edit: Shout out to absolute know-nothing reactionaries downvoting this post.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country

Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?

Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks? You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?

Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.

If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.

You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?

"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.

Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.

I said they "were killed."

Totally emotionless.

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.

Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.

From here

Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.

UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.

Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.

This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.

What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades. They would have had Darfur-level starvation twenty years ago and would not exist at all today if not for the charity of the West and, mainly, the charity of Israel.

That charity is the very thing that enables Hamas. The people of Gaza would never tolerate Hamas if they actually had to pay the price of it. You know, the price of diverting all of your country's natural resources to building terror tunnels, turning all of your countries International banking and shipping infrastructure into modalities of international terrorism.

Hey, they would need zero trucks a day if they used their water port or air port, used their international relations to broker commodities trading.

No, they have no interest. They are happy to live on handouts as long as their leadership is fielding mercenaries to kill Jews.

That's who you're defending.

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isreal destroyed the airport lol, are you serious? What a load of bullshit.

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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.

And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.

What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades

Lol I wonder why 🤣

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I didn't ignore them at all. I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.

That sort of thing can happen when you volunteer to go to a war.

500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?

Lol I wonder why. 🤣 Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.

Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.

500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?

Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.

Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.

Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.

I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me.

It should not have been diverted to support terrorists holding hundreds of hostages underground for months on end. That's why it was a target.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves. Policy has consequences. Your gripes are with Gaza's water policy under Hamas, not with people who are defending themselves.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel? No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me

Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves.

"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?

Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?

No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They are targeting tunnels and terrorists, not water.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Ahh yes the secret tunnels under every convenient bombing target.

The magical tunnels that rarely ever exist, and when they do the IDF plants guns in them as witnessed by the press.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Israel attacked far more than two aid trucks. What are you even talking about.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or, or or!

The UN framed this as a warning because they really don't want to stop sending aid into Gaza and the alternative is not to announce any changes at all.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But Israel does want the aid coming in...

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So they can strap the aid workers to the front of their trucks maybe

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Unlike all those Palestinian kids amarite.

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[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They block most of it and murder the people distributing it on a regular basis

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ridiculous. All the food that comes in is because they let it in.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The second sentence is true. They’re inducing famine conditions but allowing an extremely small amount of food in.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Hamas induced food insecurity in Gaza. Period.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah? Why doesn't Gaza import whatever they want through its airport or waterport?

Why doesn't Gaza have a seat in the UN?

Why doesn't Gaza have access to international banking systems?

Nah buddy. You are living in Fantasyland.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? Why doesn't Gaza import whatever they want through its airport or waterport?

What fucking airport or "waterport"?? Israel have complete control over the borders of Gaza and thus full control over all imports and exports.

Why doesn't Gaza have a seat in the UN?

Because it's a part of Palestine, not a separate country.

Why doesn't Gaza have access to international banking systems?

Because it isn't allowed to by the Israeli occupation forces

Nah buddy. You are living in Fantasyland

Says the genocide apologist apparently arguing based on the delusional belief that Gaza is an independent country with no restrictions not placed by Hamas 🤦

Did you hear about the Middle East for the first time on October 7th or are you just extremely susceptible to even the most obvious propaganda?

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Actually, I heard about it from the beginning of recorded history when all of the land you're talking about was inhabited by Hebrew speaking people called the Israelites. You know before they were rounded up and slaughtered by other radical pan Islamists.

Also, no Gaza does not have a water port or airport. And the reason they do not have those things is because they cannot have them without using them for terrorism.

Maybe if they reject Hamas and start participating in international relations instead of just International terrorism, they could have nice things again.

Seems to me like the people of Gaza have no interest in that.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Right. Nothing to do with Israel killing a large number of aid workers and destroying supplies, while killing civilians who try to get to them. It's Hamas holding back sitting on piles of food... Makes sense.

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[–] jorp@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The user labelling feature is nice because I knew you were a zionist loser before even reading this nonsense

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That feature is the one thing I miss after switching to Voyager 🫤

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I use Voyager also. Which app are they referring to? I like Voyager but haven't used many apps for lemmy.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Sorry I didn't realize it wasn't a gobal feature. I use "Connect" on Android or the web client.

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

How can you do that? I use Voyager.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

Wonder if they made their name emojis to pretend to not be the resident troll

[–] xyz1195@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Bro we get it. You are very clearly some Israeli payed guy to get ur propaganda across. You can stop now. I don't need to read from multiple secures, like the UN itself, that Israel is actively hindering help in Gaza, to then come to Lemmy and get told by a random that everyone is lying and Israel is secretly the good guy.

This isn't some conspiracy against Israel. Israel is actively committing genocide.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Delusional.

You could also go to Washington DC. Or you could ask who virtually any head of state from any Western democracy. All of whom agree with me.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Of humanitarian groups, UNRWA has borne the brunt of Israel’s horrific extermination campaign. According to agency Chief Philippe Lazzarini, Israeli forces have killed 193 UNRWA workers in Gaza since October and massacred 250 aid workers in total so far. Israeli forces have continually targeted UNRWA facilities, often in refugee camps, damaging or destroying 190 UNRWA facilities in Gaza, or about half of the agency’s facilities in the region.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

UNRWA is basically a coconspirator to Hamas. It's the largest employer in Gaza. Hamas is the largest political bloc. It's simple math.

Look at UNRWA's own literature, promoting martyrdom as a way of life (and death) to kids.

You're content to condemn how many more generations to such hopelessness and corruption?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

There is no hope for a better future for Palestinian children when living under the violence of Apartheid

In January, Israel accused a handful of UNRWA staff of collaborating with Hamas militants as part of its years-long campaign against the agency. But Israel has refused to provide evidence for these claims, and subsequent investigations by an independent UN panel, foreign experts in multiple countries (including the EU’s humanitarian chief), and journalists across many outlets have found that there is no evidence supporting the accusations.