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Vance is one of Trump's most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be "completely irresponsible" for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

"Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you're gonna have a peace deal, because that's the only way out of the conflict," Vance said in February.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When a war will break out on your land, don't fight back, don't ask for help. Surrender everything to anyone, because you don't want a slaughter even if it means getting everything stolen, including your freedom, your identity and your civil liberties, right?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Fighting back makes them a terrorist.

Unless the land is strategically advantageous to America then they are freedom fighters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

He unironically probably will when the magats come for him and his own

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Ukraine should fight back. Americans shouldn't fund war. See how easy this is?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why hand an easy win to putin so that he can continue rolling over democracies and vomiting more genocides in order to use their populations to further destroy democracies and commit more cultural genocides? Do you want as many authoritarian countries as possible?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You have no idea what Putin's goal is so don't pretend as if you have some deep insight. The EU can fund its own wars.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Just what Putin has allowed his state run media to say. Ukraine is not a real country and others are next. They also want Alaska back so that needs to be given up immediately to prevent bloodshed right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I'm not going to show you how to use a search engine but here is the first of many examples after seconds of searching.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/877224

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So should Poland, the Baltics, Germany and so on? The whole Europe should crumble to the US' enemies? How can it be in the American best interest?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The EU can fund its own wars?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So now all EU countries need to develop and store their own nuclear weapons since the nuclear umbrella provided by the U.S. is gone. This would be the largest proliferation of nukes in generations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The US has agreements to defend their allies. Ukraine isn't an ally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

They're only in danger because we took their nukes. They literally left themselves defenseless under the agreement that we would serve as their alternative.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you actually believe that Americans are singlehandedly funding Ukraine's defence?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

You bring up an excellent point. America doesn't have to provide further support, because they aren't single handedly funding Ukraine.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/