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German warships to cross Taiwan Strait for first time in 22 years, defying Beijing’s warnings (www.firstpost.com)

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The alternative is to let certain countries de facto claim a region because others are too afraid to call them on their BS

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

You do realise that Taipei's territorial claims are exactly the same as those of Beijing. I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn't align with the approved narrative but Taiwan claims the very same nine dash line as China.

To this day, Taiwan remains firm in its claims to the South China Sea. They have been historically justified on the basis that, as there was no United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) in existence in 1947, it was legitimate for the ROC to claim the South China Sea territories and waters based on the historical connections of these with China. According to the Institute for National Defense and Security Research (INDSR), a Taiwanese think tank, there was no legal impediment to the claim in 1947 and, for a long period, there were no challenges to the ROC’s claims from other countries.[4] They were largely ignored – except by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), which concurred with them.

https://www.thechinastory.org/taiwans-south-china-sea/

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

you do realize that's only because the CPR would never accept a end to the civil war with the independence of Taiwan?

The only reason Taiwan hasn't abandoned their claims yet is because that would mean they say they're independent, and that would lead to a certain invasion attempt by the CPR

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Tank(ie) you for sharing your opinion!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn't align with the approved narrative

How to say "I'm not worth listening to" without saying it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

NATO states only seem to hear the things that please them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

No no no. It's not "the approved narrative".

You need to make it sound more sinister.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's a bit more to it than that.

NATO is a strategic alliance lead by the US. NATO doesn't have any feelings and isn't pleased or displeased about anything. Instead it generally does whatever is the US believes is most strategically advantageous.

Those strategist are typically smart people who listen to all kinds of things. They're definitely careful about what they say though and won't go around promoting information they don't want suppressed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

NATO doesn’t have any feelings and isn’t pleased or displeased about anything.

Organizations are composed of people, my friend. And people have feelings.

Those strategist are typically smart people who listen to all kinds of things.

I've heard the same said of Joe Rogan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes and emergent behavior goes both ways. Organizations have many properties that the individuals they're made up of don't have and they lack many properties that individuals have. Organizations don't have feelings. Even in the rare cases when the feelings of the people in those organizations are homogeneous, the organizations almost never manifest those feelings without significant alterations.

Are you seriously comparing Joe Rogan with NATO strategists?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Organizations don’t have feelings.

Organizations are composed of people, my friend. And people have feelings.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Dude, I love China and its people and have been there several times. I obviously don’t approve of everything but some of the funniest, most kindhearted people on Earth are in China. I’m not sure there’s a place on Earth I’d rather have a meal with some regular citizens.

But just follow The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Taipei can be wrong too. But those laws took like centuries of stupid wars and, ultimately, diplomacy, to establish. Even if you want to change them, it’ll require diplomacy and cooperation, not hosing down some Filipino fishermen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The alternative is to let certain countries de facto claim a region because others are too afraid to call them on their BS

Who is de facto claiming land? Taiwan has always been a part of China. KMT fled there after losing the civil war and claimed their occupation was rightful rule.

January 1, 1979.

The United States of America recognizes the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China. Within this context, the people of the United States will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan.

The Government of the United States of America acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

We do not undertake this important step for transient tactical or expedient reasons. In recognizing the People’s Republic of China, that it is the single Government of China, we are recognizing simple reality. But far more is involved in this decision than just the recognition of a fact.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v01/d104

May 28, 2022

The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/