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Israel offers to end war, let Sinwar leave if all hostages freed at once, Gaza disarmed
(www.timesofisrael.com)
this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2024
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Israel does not have the power to end the war until they end the occupation and give equal rights to the Palestinians.
If they could have, they would have back in 1967. Then as now, there will be no lasting peace without justice.
Don't forget the three Noes from the Arab's Khartoum conference: No recognition, no negotiation, no peace.
Israel had been offering permanent peace with borders from 1948 onwards.
We live in the post-Oslo Accords world. And Israel has been building facts on the ground since Oslo that make the two state(*) solution impossible.
(*) Where by "state" we mean an actual state, not some Bantustan.
Sure. The Palestinian refusal to agree to any of the offered two state deal has of course nothing to do with the situation we’re in now.
Yes, some Israeli political movements don’t want a Palestinian state and take as much land as possible. The Palestinian refusal to compromise pragmatically has only enabled them.
Go as far back as you like, and we'll be litigating the Islamic conquest from the Roman Empire. This is 2024. Palestine recognized Israel at Oslo. Since there Israel hasn't offered any deal with the exception of the Camp David disaster. Daniel Levy, an Israeli negotiator at the time has explained was not a genuine attempt at peace, but to impose a conquest. And in any case the Barak government was an exception, a parenthesis from the successive right wing governments.
These right wing governments instead have systematically sliced up Palestine salami slice after salami slice and basically imposed an apartheid regime in greater Israel. This isn't just some marginal movement, they are in government. Netanyahu has in fact been in government so long that it is basically Israeli state policy.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-admits-he-rejected-2008-peace-offer-from-olmert/
Well, yea, even if we accept the fucking Times of Israel as an objective source (lol), what the article says is he wasn't allowed to study the contract he was offered. That shows the Israelis were not negotiating in good faith.
No western government would ever agree to a territorial deal without being able to first study the fucking map. I mean, would you agree to buy a laptop if you weren't allowed to see the spec? Much less end a decades old major global conflict.
Yeah I think Palestinians are to blame for being occupied by a settler colonial entity that got established through ethnic cleaning, during which they were leveling whole villages, raping, torturing and killing its inhabitants systemically. As a cherry on top they imposed an apartheid regime and are committing genocide as we speak.
The only solution is to decolonize Palestine and establish a new state with equal rights for everyone, with all the existing institutions being disbanded and rebuilt from scratch. Palestinians need to be compensated for the loss of land and the loss of life of their families, Palestinian refugees need to be able to exert their right of return. The German Zionist narrative is over and this conflict won’t end until Palestinians finally received justice. But keep trying to convince people, the world isn’t buying it anymore.
Palestinians are for a two state solution, but Israel keeps trying to use the deals to take more land. The latest one involves taking the land that's on their Egyptian border and making them disarm itself. What kind of state doesn't have control over its borders and can't defend itself? These deals are given in bad faith. It's why they keep taking land, so it's impossible to have a contiguous state. Israeli officials have admitted this multiple times.