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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If you don't like how Google is able to do this, know it's because of it's market share, and you should just use Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You should use Firefox (or a fork of it), but can we expect them to be an option if Google's actions make it so most sites only work on Chrome?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Google can't make websites update.

Websites will only update to Chrome specific things if Chrome is the dominant browser.

How do you stop Chrome being the dominant browser? By not using it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not going to be that simple. CDNs like Cloudflare are already on board with this, and Safari built a similar feature last year (and virtually no one noticed or cared). This horse has already left the barn and I'm not sure there's anything we can do at this point.

EDIT - Oh and I didn't think of this but Google absolutely CAN make websites update. "We'll improve your SEO ranking if you support this new feature". They've done this before and they'll do it again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Google can make websites that use its advertising platform support attestation. I wouldn't be surprised if that's their plan.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately Chrome is the dominant browser by a long way.

I use Firefox on every PC and device and wish it was more popular but the non geeks don't understand so use Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly. We need more people to move away from it.

I typically lead by example and will tell anyone who listens about how good modern Firefox is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They can make sites to not work on Chrome, not the other way around. Unless you implemented some chrome only features in your site then that's on you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I expect businesses to impliment Chrome-only features in their sites..

I recall Edge became Chrome based due in part to Google making needless changes on their own sites (e.g. Youtube) whjch broke functionity in Edge.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Except you’ll have to keep a copy of Chrome handy because this is less about what software you’re using and more about which apps are attested and approved for that website.

Once your bank says “we’re requiring this” it’s kinda over isn’t it?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Your bank will only do it, if, and only if, Chrome is a majority of browsers they see.

How do you stop that? By not using it.

Everyone keeps postulating over a terrible future, but won't actually do anything now, today, to help prevent it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

But Chrome is already the dominant browser, and Firefox has like 2% market share last time I checked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The bank already has your money. Asking you to install a free app to use their services would not be seen by regulators as unreasonable. Especially when they play the security argument.

I don’t see how Chrome has to be in the majority for some sectors to start relying on these kinds of attestations. Safari already has a similar mechanism, so that right there is the majority of mobile users when you include Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Let's hope not all banks do this so we can switch to the ones that doesn't

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I fear voting with one's wallet is not enough to prevent any business from doing something in their best interests at the expense of the consumer/user. When it comes to banks we'd have to place our hope the governments.. which relies of them actually representing voters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll be telling my bank I'll be taking my mortgage elsewhere. I pray that's still possible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One does not simply change banks when it comes to a mortgage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Maybe wherever you live. In first world countries, it's fairly straightforward.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I've been on Firefox for years. Was never much of a problem, but lately there's more and more sites that require a Chromium-based browser. Some of them quite crucial. A list from experience:

  1. My bank's mortgage page
  2. Microsoft Teams - only supports Chrome, safari and edge on MacOs.
  3. Microsoft Office - has weird quirks on MacOs
  4. The new Adobe Express, requires Chrome or Edge
  5. Google Meet - after years google still only supports Chromium-based browsers if you wish to use video effects
  6. Microsoft's new video editing thing